To the devs!

[saevel]

And I never said you advocated such a thing. Only that you sported that cloak of victimhood quite well for somebody who got a pretty good weaponskill out of the deal. Sword users got a good weaponskill and RDM is one of the 3 sword users. I struggle to understand why you look at that with such spite. At least RDM didn't get Cloudsplitter!

And now we have it, your trying to insinuate RDM's got some sort of buff via CDC and call it a day. IDK where you've been living lately, if your here honestly trying to have a discussion or just trolling the RDM forums for lols. SE has pretty much ignored RDM since right after Abyssea's release. You can't pull some BS out of thin air and expect many people here to actually believe you. Every other job has gotten multiple buffs and modifications. RDM was given tier ups and a nifty 10m JA. We've sunk to the level of SMN, except at least SMN has a function with PD / EA.

[cidbahamut]

And now we have it, your trying to insinuate RDM's got some sort of buff via CDC and call it a day.

You're seriously going to sit there and try to argue that RDM getting CDC did not improve Red Mage's melee capabilities? And he calls the rest of us trolls... /roll_eyes

[Ketaru]

And now we have it, your trying to insinuate RDM's got some sort of buff via CDC and call it a day. IDK where you've been living lately, if your here honestly trying to have a discussion or just trolling the RDM forums for lols.

How does anything I say suggest that we got CDC and we can leave it at that? I said quit with the undermining of the fact we got it as though it was just the run off of PLD and BLU. You're not entitled to it just because PLD and BLU did. One would think you of all people would get that, since you yourself are the one that said it could've just as easily have been Rudra's Storm instead.

I'm only pointing out SE does a good job of mixing things up for no apparent reason. I love my Almace and CDC, but it doesn't fit the job as well as other options would have. We have naturally weak Attack ratings so we are never going to get the most out of CDC. There seems to be no real logical sense to how they adjust jobs and design WSs, because it's certainly not based off which jobs need it the most. Just look at Cloudsplitter since you brought it up. It doesn't make any sense to be on BST or WAR. I mean, maybe DRK, but that isn't going to make anyone happy.

I'd rather have a WS that is good before a WS that just fits your image of the job. Gearing for CDC is incredibly simple. Gearing for Cloudsplitter is impossible. Cloudsplitter is not a good WS or even a decent one. Period.

Every other job has gotten multiple buffs and modifications. RDM was given tier ups and a nifty 10m JA.

And Gain-Attribute spells. And a new type of debuff. And a job ability that enhances debuffs. And Temper. They may not all be particular useful for the current endgame (even though Voidwatch is now kind of a joke with frequent procs). But don't conveniently neglect to mention them just because they don't suit your argument.

Make a comparison. BLM mostly got "tier ups and a nifty 10m JA" as well, but they are clearly experiencing a surge in popularity. For no other reason than weakness procs. So let us all agree that RDM mostly fails to meet a particular need right now. But that has nothing to do with a lack of updates and everything to do with the developers' irrational fear that being able to land enfeebles will be overpowered. And even if they do land, they don't do crap to new NMs. On a mob like Gaunab, Paralyze II is more useful for it's ability to trigger a weakness than it's intended of effect of actually paralyzing.

And, like whores, many of us (myself included), probably merited Bio III and Blind II because they "might" be the Dark Black Magic that triggers weakness. Not because of any actual desire to have these spells.

BST solos pretty much anything that can be solo'd.

Beliefs like that are why the job will never get anything that will make them wanted in groups. Only more stuff that will make people hate BSTs.

[ManaKing]

I'd rather have a WS that is good before a WS that just fits your image of the job. Gearing for CDC is incredibly simple. Gearing for Cloudsplitter is impossible. Cloudsplitter is not a good WS or even a decent one. Period.

For the jobs that get it. I would, once again, love to have a cloudsplitter type WS on RDM, because we could actually gear for it, it would fit the general strengths of the job, and we would be able to be effective with it.

We are in complete agreement that Cloudspiltter sucks on BST and WAR, but the WS itself is not lackluster, only the applicable jobs' ability to use it. It is a good WS that was completely misappropriated. Sorry you can't see the comparison but it's right there.

CDC is a mismatch for RDM because it doesn't play to the jobs strengths and thus it is a blanket buff. It just so happens that crit hit WSs are just plain good almost completely regardless of the situation, so RDM got a lucky break. But what they still havent gotten is any personalized attention to actually fix the majority of the problems the job has.

And Gain-Attribute spells. And a new type of debuff. And a job ability that enhances debuffs. And Temper.

Gains are only good when you don't have a WHM, so doing nothing serious. Debuff? Addle that is shared with other jobs or Gravity 2/Break which were useless on shipment? A job ability that is wasted everytime you cast a debuff because the mob was immune or doesn't actually confer any sort of qualitative debuff?

Temper is good. But doesn't do anything for a RDM in a party since clearly, we aren't supposed to melee.



And as far as BLM vs RDM goes. BLM is actually good at it's job by design and has almost every proc and does the most damage nuking. Wonder why they didn't need a bunch of buffs to make them appealing in a system that forces you to proc to get anything good.....