To the devs!

[Neisan_Quetz]

1. Then you're just being blockheaded, There is nothing wrong with Rdm melee at 99.
2. Not sure what you're trying to say here then. Rdm already has up to MABIII Gain-Int and can /sch for weather/klimaform. You won't match blm/sch but the job isn't meant to.
3. A Cure potency buff won't do anything but waste space that could have been used on a better enhancing spell. SE has already said they aren't going to do it so give it up.
4. Movespeed isn't necessary for anything you would bring a Rdm to, the days of kite fights are over. If you want to run fast and can't kill Kirin at 99 get some sprinter's.

By the same logic then, RDM isn't really an Enhancer.

We're finally agreeing on something, progress. Rdm is not a pure buff job, and does not, and should not, function like one.

[Heabea]

i've never understood why RDM nowadays cry about meleeing... does anyone remember when some of the best WSs u could do could barely hit 500, since they introduced CDC it's been great, and now Requiescat, anyone can get a solid WS np. RDM was never about outdmg'ing anything, they simply outlasted things, Avesta's 1-3hrs of soloing shit anyone?

I just hope they add something that can make a rdm useful, like make saboteur overwrite resistance, or simply add amnesia and just make it negetate 1 TP move on NMs and maybe more on weaker mobs, I just want to take the damn job out for something other than attempting to proc'ing para2 and slow2 on mobs that i cant even land the spell on anyways...

I will say my biggest beef is... why is there a drg or pup, or /cry ukko's fury dev post every second day, where everyone knows rdm has possibly become the lame duck of all jobs in the game...

[Anduril]

At the least give us a spell like repose. I'm so tired of watching whms doing crowd control while all Rdms can do is some back up heals and haste once in awhile. Seems we've gone from refresh whore to leech whore.

[cidbahamut]

At the least give us a spell like repose. I'm so tired of watching whms doing crowd control while all Rdms can do is some back up heals and haste once in awhile. Seems we've gone from refresh whore to leech whore.

Have you tried using Break? Honestly, that's your answer to stuff that's resistant to Dark based sleeps. RDM can do crowd control better than a White Mage, it's no contest.

[Ketaru]

CDC as a non-specific buff aside, I don't really get how one could imply RDM's magical side hasn't grown more significantly from the 76-99 push.

i've never understood why RDM nowadays cry about meleeing... does anyone remember when some of the best WSs u could do could barely hit 500, since they introduced CDC it's been great, and now Requiescat, anyone can get a solid WS np.

My thought on CDC though is that the particular jobs that can use it are not coincidental. For much of the history of the game, sword weaponskills were never contenders for strongest weaponskills in the game and, in the rankings of weaponskills added in the latest era of the game, it is definitely somewhere in the top half if not the top quarter. Quite a number of the Empyrean weaponskills, in reality, aren't that good.

Why the sudden discussion on nerfing Ukko's Fury or Victory Smite? Because of the particular jobs that use them. CDC is strong. But only PLD, RDM, and BLU can use it. And they're not at risk of marginalizing other damage dealer jobs. So yes. CDC may not be a melee buff specific exclusively to RDM, but it's pretty close.

If it had just been business as usual, CDC would've been a better weaponskill than Sword users really deserve. It could've ended up being Savage Blade to MNK's Asuran Fists all over again.

[saevel]

We got CDC only because SE decided to put us on the sword and not the dagger. I just as easily of been the other way around with us stuck with lol RS (only good when stacked). CDC was designed to be a powerful WS for BLUs and PLDs, RDMs got it the same way we got all our past buffs, incidentally. Just look back to the enspell 1 buff, SE changed the way magic acc was calculated not for RDM but so that SCH could use /RDM for enspells. One of our job defining set of spells got buffed not for RDM but for a different job to use. We could break 300 skill for awhile, yet all our self buffs were capped at 300 until WHM and SCH were able to easily break 300 skill natively. Then SE goes in and raise's the cap to 500. They didn't raise the cap for RDM, they raised it for WHM and SCH.

Both our melee and both our mage sides have been badly neglected in the last series of updates. Nuking just got the typical Tier ups, Party support got absolute squat and melee has been left off most of the new blu/dnc/nin/thf/pup light melee gear and instead put on the crappy any-mage situational gear. We've gotten one melee buff and that was Temper, and I'm happy we got it during the previous team that actually listened otherwise we would be stuck with a sh!tty +5% DA spell. The only real support buff I can think of is our Emp armor that lets us double the duration of buffs we cast on others, except most of our buffs are self-cast. Basically we can haste / Refresh II better-er ... woo-hoo. Then SCH gets that ability for free and gets a super OMGWTFBBQ 2hr spell to go with it.

[ManaKing]

We're finally agreeing on something, progress. Rdm is not a pure buff job, and does not, and should not, function like one.

Yeah but that is all RDM is viewed as. We have no real value except to refresh and haste in a party.

Curing isn't even an issue because of how much better a WHM can service an alliance and a BLU can service a single party. We are behind on curing. We will never catch up unless the next curing change affects us very favorably. So the best we are doing as a support is Haste, Refresh, Cure.

We need more, but we don't need to neglect what we already have. I have no problem with curing others, hasting others, or refreshing others. I just don't want that to be all I'm good for every time things get real. It gets boring fast and there is plenty of time to do other things while i sit around.

When you compare the solo experience to the party experience, RDM is disastrously bad with other people. All of it's value gets cut down because it doesn't stack well(enspells/sambas or gain/boost). We need buffs to our functionality to a full alliance (please don't read this as we need AoE buffs, that isn't what I'm saying.) Things need to stack better for us and we need our enfeebling back to throw into the mix.

On melee, It really is go Almace or go home. There is no middle ground, which I guess is ok, but it won't be if they don't keep RDM's gear up to date. They have done a decent job recently(thanks Brego Helm, Rubeus Spats, and Ephemeron), but they still haven't given us an acceptable TP body. The only one that is even close to acceptable is crimson/blood scale mail augmented to +3% haste, get the accuracy for the secondary buff, and get some decent random augments like more acc or atk. I'm not going to pretend that is a reasonable amount of work. You have to get lucky on either Odin or the HQ drop of the Adamantoise....Neither are good drop rates. Good luck on all that random luck.

Please fix our job. It's broken and WE can't do anything about that.

[cidbahamut]

I have no problem with curing others, hasting others, or refreshing others. I just don't want that to be all I'm good for every time things get real.

If you think that's all you are good for then you need to hang up your pimp hat and play a different job.

Red Mage is in a bad place, but perpetuating this myth that Refresh, Haste and Cure are all we have is not helping anyone.

[ManaKing]

If you think that's all you are good for then you need to hang up your pimp hat and play a different job.

Red Mage is in a bad place, but perpetuating this myth that Refresh, Haste and Cure are all we have is not helping anyone.

You certainly didn't counter point anything so it seems that your lack of evidence doesn't lead well to your argument. Please actually participate in a conversation or expect to be ignored. I don't have time to waste on people that make vague, insulting statements. I'm not in high school or under a bridge.

[cidbahamut]

You certainly didn't counter point anything so it seems that your lack of evidence doesn't lead well to your argument. Please actually participate in a conversation or expect to be ignored. I don't have time to waste on people that make vague, insulting statements. I'm not in high school or under a bridge.

You didn't really back your argument either. Hooray for internet arguments.

Seriously though, Red Mage brings more to the table than just three spells.
Are those three spells useful? Yes.
Can you do more to assist in any given fight than cast those three spells? Yes.

Try making use of your subjob. Even without Chainspell Red Mage is still a better suited to stun than anyone other than a BLU rocking all their stun spells. Red Mage can fill in the holes that crop up in mage duties while the specialists are pre-occupied. White Mage is busy keeping tank alive but can't take a break to help raise. Red Mage is operating under the freedom of 'we don't care what you do' so they raise folks and re-apply pro/shell because god knows the White Mage doesn't have time to run into the fray while the NM spams TP attacks and no one else ever remembers to do it. White Mage has everything covered? Get back to nuking and stunning if you're /BLM. Need more -na spells? You can help with that if you're /SCH or /WHM(and then get back to nuking). Stuff goes south and the NM is looking at you? Good news, if it can be kited then Red Mage is probably better suited to kiting it than most(disclaimer: there's plenty of stuff that can't be kited, shut up).

Is it worthwhile to bring a Red Mage when there are specialists available? Probably not, but I think there's too many variables to say the answer is anything but subjective without further details.
Is Red Mage in a bad place as a job? Yes.
Is Red Mage only bringing 3 spells to the table? No, and you are silly for suggesting so.

There, now pick that apart and tell me how I am wrong. I know saevel will.