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[cidbahamut]

Greatguardian... did you seriously substitute(confuse?) an intangable measurement of ability (player skill) for in game numerical values based on actions performed(Combat/magic skills)?

Despite all of your insecurities and pants-wearing habits, you actually make a good point. There is a great deal of confusion on these boards revolving around the term 'skill' being applied to both player aptitude as well as an in-game mechanic.

The rest of your post is rather silly.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Insecurities? Only thing thats insecure is my employment status at the moment And ive got prettymuch nowhere to go but up at this point. Besides, can you really be calling me insecure when you have chosen to not display your main character on these forums?

[Greatguardian]

Luck of those I know suggests otherwise, and seals are far more finite than the alternatives. Either way, proposing the drop rates are good doesn't really help the guy who's 0/way too many attempts and rather demoralized by their effort yielding nothing. My own experiences in WoE put me at over 40 runs with the only scrolls to show for it being some of the sub-90 BRD carols. While I tend to advise people looking for a given scroll to just buy it, I am conscious of the fact that if everyone just did that and stopped doing the given events, the situation won't improve any. T3 VW may be cool now, but can we say it will still be a month or two from now? And from what I see of PUGs, the shouters are pretty much Emp/Relic or GTFO. And that, for an average player, is an entirely different can of worms.

No one gives a damn about the average player. They are neither producers nor consumers of high-end goods. They are not the people doing Voidwatch, and they sure as hell aren't the market that those people are interested in selling to.

Fortunately, this is a video game, so all it takes to rise from average [read: piss-poor] to marketable is a modicum of effort, a willingness to learn, and an IQ greater than potato.

Oh, and I'm sure you and I can play the "Wahh my drop rates are worse than yours" game all day. I've gone 0/200 on more NMs than the average player can count up to (see what I did there?), so cry me a river. All I see is someone too busy making excuses for themselves to go out and actually accomplish anything.

Despite all of your insecurities and pants-wearing habits, you actually make a good point. There is a great deal of confusion on these boards revolving around the term 'skill' being applied to both player aptitude as well as an in-game mechanic.

The rest of your post is rather silly.

^. If you were referring to "Skills are capped", then I misunderstood you. When I say "A skilled Warrior", I'm generally not referring to the numerical value of their Great Axe skill. I'm referring to a person who knows what they're doing. And frankly, anyone with an ounce of skill is most certainly not wearing Perle or Aurore on jobs they care about. Period. Why? Because anyone with an ounce of skill can obtain better gear solo.

The level of someone's combat skill never even crosses my mind because, as far as I'm concerned, all relevant numbers should be blue on any player who gives a shit.

[Crimson_Slasher]

I know i said i was done but once again i need to point out something.

I cant be bothered using the quote function so.

Greatguardian said;
"No one gives a damn about the average player. They are neither producers nor consumers of high-end goods. They are not the people doing Voidwatch, and they sure as hell aren't the market that those people are interested in selling to."

Know who cares about the average player? SE's wallets. Create a hostile environment for the average player, watch income and population decrease. And personally im more scared of what SE does than what you say. Also once again you let your "experience" make you a very insulting person that people dont want to talk to. Id hate to work with you and id hate to play with you if this is how you behave in all honesty. Opinion valid or not, its not the face of a linkshell leader if you ask me, something you constantly pride yourself on it seems.

[Greatguardian]

Funny how we went from talking about the economics of high-end items to the game as a whole?

Clue me in to that transition please.

I've already discussed the reason why no one in the market for endgame-tier goods is interested in the average player. 90% of any server's gil is concentrated in 10% of the population. Funny enough, because this is a video game and all, the only real reason for this is laziness. Anyone can make gil while AFK for crying out loud if they put in the time to set up an exp alliance. Most people just don't bother.

The average player isn't clueless. They know how to make gil. They're just too lazy to go out and do it, and that is what divides the market. If you're not at least a decently competent player, then frankly these items are not priced around your income and you should probably forget about it until you decide to man up and work for them like the rest of us.

Save the indignation. You're clearly missing context. I don't particularly care what most posters on the Official Forums think of me, to be honest. Scaring posters here away from my linkshell just means fewer junk applications to throw out.

[cidbahamut]

Know who cares about the average player? SE's wallets. Create a hostile environment for the average player, watch income and population decrease.

I'm pretty sure they(SE) were doing that for quite a while actually.

And personally im more scared of what SE does than what you say. Also once again you let your "experience" make you a very insulting person that people dont want to talk to. Id hate to work with you and id hate to play with you if this is how you behave in all honesty. Opinion valid or not, its not the face of a linkshell leader if you ask me, something you constantly pride yourself on it seems.

Is it really so terrible to expect people to abandon Perle tier gear when vastly superior options are easily available? I mean really, you can get AF3 +1 gear with a pickup group of fairly inept players. There's very little reason not to expect it of anyone who wants to be considered a good player.

It's fine to be working toward it, but let's not pretend that full Perle gear is adequate. It's what you wear while in the process of gearing your character to a more acceptable level so you can contribute meaningfully in other content.

[Crimson_Slasher]

I never once said it was even remotely considered adequate, what i said is ive seen people more interested in combat skills and spells at times rather than gear in some voidwatch groups ive been in, so far that ive seen a perle sam with just +1 unkai head invited on the grounds that they had their skill high enough to trigger weaknesses.

And yeah this thread is off topic, they all go off topic. Ill give you a translation when you explain to me how we got into the high-tier economics in the first place. The redmage forum is MADE of derails, spins, detractions, infighting, and insults slung about. And to be totally honest to you, i dont care if you ignore how people look at you, i really dont, and honestly, i dont dislike you, i dislike the way you behave. When people see your posts, constantly filled with venom and an thickly implied layer of "you should suck less" in damn near every statement you make, how can you really hope that people will agree with you on anything?

Insulting, condesending, unsupportive. Those three qualities stand out in your posts and theyre terrible personality traits. I fear i will be adding you to ignore soon because even with best intentions, all i ever hear from you is disreguard for anyone outside your perfect little world.

[saevel]

*Cough*

More BS by those pretending to be elite players.

Awhile back I made this point, and it seems that people have forgotten it.

Any online games population can be divided into two groups, the first being the vocal minority elite / high end / awesome / -whatever- crowd, typically in the 1~5% range. Those in the 1% range get quite pissed when they get lumped in with the 2~5% range, just shows up insecure they are about their social status. This group plays like asinine monkeys, to them this isn't a game but a way to acquire social status, something their often lacking in their lives. The rarer the loot, the more exclusive their achievements, the better they feel about themselves, their self worth is directly tied to how exclusive they can make themselves.

Then you have those in the 95% range, they are the silent majority who wear whatever gear is practical for them to acquire. To them this isn't a rat race for social status but a form of entertainment similar to watching a movie, or TV show, yet more interactive. They would like the shiny's but most honestly don't desire to put forth any serious effort as that would detract from their enjoyment. This is a game, not a life nor a job, and thus if their not having fun they cease to desire to play, and if they don't get enjoyment then they'll move on to something that does give them enjoyment. They usually don't post on forums and couldn't care less what the elite says. They just want to have fun for their money.

Now you can see the disparity immediately between these two groups, any content designed for the 95% "casual" player will immediately be hated by the 5% "hardcore" player as it's not exclusive enough. The hardcore doesn't want to do the same events as the casual nor have the same gear, it makes them feel cheaper and takes away their exclusive status. Content designed for the hardcore player is detested by the casual player as it takes away their enjoyment factor, they won't pay money for a second job. At no point in time will these two groups ever get along, the fact that the hardcore players ridicule the casuals prevents this, the stick in their arse pretty much guarantees they'll fight with and disparage the casual players.

And now we get to the whole point, that the 95% casual crowd pays several times more money then the 4% hardcore and the insignificant 1% super-ultra-mega-hardcore. It is not profitable to make a game only for the hardcores as that would make the casuals leave. Without the casuals to condescend too the hardcore's start condescending towards each other and eventually there aren't enough players left to pay for the electricity at the server farm. Thus a company must design content for the casual crowd, which just further piss's off the already angry hardcore's and push's that stick further up their neither regions. So anyone making any condescending statements towards "average" or "casual" players can immediately be ignored as their just massaging that stick that happens to co-located with their egos.

[saevel]

I really don't know about that. How often do you actually take your RDM to anything VS your WHM? I'm just pointing out that the WHM is infinitely more useful because it can actually do it's job. I'm just wondering what job or role you are filling with your RDM, if at all.

I'm being serious, btw. I understand we have a certain level of tension on these boards, but I legitimately want to know what you do with your RDM.

RDM's can be used to assist the BLM's in procing during VWNMs. The list of black magic is rather long and having a single or even two BLM's doing it takes too long. Have a RDM do the 2~4 along with their own merit procs.

Honestly though, that's a really small role that can almost always be better filled by a SCH. The only reason to really have a RDM along is for their merit spells and quicker procing of Para / Slow / Blind as they can land it easier then other jobs.

That was the whole reason I started doing the melee thing on VWNMs, the list of procs you check is so small that you end up with plenty of opportunity to melee during HV procs or doing the final "zerg push" to kill it after capped lights.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Only Sch exclusive proc left is Modus isn't it? I'd rather take a Rdm.