Magic Acc+ Staffs

[Neisan_Quetz]

Capitalism, it's a beautiful thing ain't it.

[saevel]

A RDM wearing full AF / Relic / Emp +1 gear with a light staff in this hands is all that's required to play "WHM -2" *cough* "support" RDM. Enfeebles are sh!t in big fights (the ones that rely on stats and gear), which seems to be the only thing that's ever counted. Your nukes while not bad aren't nearly as good as the BLM's and SCH's. And the only buffs that rely on enhancing skill are self-cast, with the exception of the nearly worthless phalanx 2. The only "expensive" spells on the AH are the ones from VWNM, and those prices are plummeting because there is no demand for them (for RDM). The current generation of RDM's would rather not spend the money on a spell they never see themselves casting, not when they can instead spend that money on their PUP / DRG / BLU / SAM / DRK / PLD / MNK / ect..

People can jump, yell and holler about how important they think enfeebles are, but we all know their sh!t with the sole exception of Dia III on big fights for a damage boost, and a naked RDM casts the same potency Dia III as a super buffed one. Ultimately only hardcore RDM's will spend the gil to get the cure potency body, or like myself also get the +enhancing magic body. We'll fork out big money to make our nukes slightly better but still weaker then a BLMs or SCHs. We'll spend money to build super enhancing sets for our self buffs, most of which are melee orientated (Enspell / Temper / Gain-STR/DEX / Phalanx). We'll spend the gil to pimp out our MND / INT sets for those times when we're killing ash and trash. We'll do this not because it makes us more desired or stand out, cause honestly big groups couldn't care less, we'll do it because we have pride in what we do. Unfortunately the ones who have that pride are in the vast minority of those who happen to have RDM leveled.

[Greatguardian]

And I think it's bullshit to be putting magic behind needlessly high price tags, while melees just need to level or skill up a bit for their abilities and WS. The prices aren't high because the FFXI elite are the only ones worthy of acquisition. They're high because SE, in their infinite wisdom, decided to make them rare drops from various events with suddenly the bulk of your playerbase at the same 'starting point' after years of the 75 cap. These same people then turn and scorn the "unwashed masses" because they don't have something they've deliberately put out of reach. Not everyone likes Voidwatch, or even has luck if/when they do it. Behold your profits plummet as you're left to wade in a sea of logs and ore elsewhere.

So, yes, we hate each other by being profit-mongering capitalists instead of being considerate toward the needs of our fellow players. Spare me the pending Economics 101 line, as SE is in direct control of the supply and created these situations to begin with. Much as I grumble about RDM's shortcomings, SE hasn't been very nice to mages in general over the years. So yeah, "fair" to me would be a mage's big expenses being more tied in the new-age Novio earring equivalents and the like, not the ability to just cast a spell. Instead, they get both, and some encourage it just because they feel distinction should be preserved in the wrong places.

Plus I fully anticipate a Chocobo Blinker nerf the more people prattle on about how easy money is to make with this actually being a gil fountain compared to peddling VW drops. Happened before with stuff like the blood leeches and bats dropped, which wasn't nearly as bad. Or rusty caps.

Prices are high because that's how much my time is worth, considering I'm the one doing Voidwatch and causing these scrolls to exist in the world in the first place. If you aren't willing to pay for my time, you can go get them yourself. This is how the AH works, how it will always work, and how it will continue to work until the game shuts down.

Whether Saevel meant to or not, he made a very good point. Yes, Mages have to fork out for spells while melees just need to skill up. But what good is a gear-less melee? None. Melee do need to fork out for nice gear in order to be even half-relevant, while many mages could sit around in full Teal and deliver passable performance because the nature of the job relies far more on player reaction and decision making than gear as it stands right now.

Chocobo Blinkers are an easy source of gil that doesn't appear to be getting nerfed any time soon. SE has known about it for ages. It's not like it's being monopolized by RMT like beast blood was, or being botted by everyone like Rusty equipment. Cruor is easy to grind out and can be converted to gil. SE's answer to this massive inflation was very clearly Atmacites and Voidwatch Cells, which can serve as a healthy Cruor sink - or rather, could have if they made any of the cells aside from Rubicund worth using.

So yes, if you have a problem affording Comet, go spend 1-2 hours in a Cruor party. If you think melees are passable just because they have capped skill and don't need to spend money on anything, get real.

As far as Saevel is concerned, not everyone who dislikes melee is a bandwagon pink mage - but you already knew that and just wanted to start trouble anyways. Plenty of us have both WHM and RDM leveled. Gee, I wonder why that is. Would be pretty redundant to have WHM and WHM-2 if that's all it was.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Sadly, in too many servers, "passable" melees/light melees are perle and aurore, even seeing them in events like voidwatch is not uncommon, they suck but theyre taken anyway cause theyre skilled and can proc, then theres no rush/kill because killpower is lacking. Its just how things work outside of perfect-ville, a place most of us do not live in.

[Seriha]

...you can go get them yourself.

Tried that. Got my lion's share of logs and ore. Then WoE died. Either way, both WoE and VW tend to require lots of people, so your time isn't just your own, and I have a hunch you aren't sharing your profits with those you VW with (and aren't as lucky) as a result. So let's not pretend gil is falling from the sky or, hell, that naked mages amount to much when casting more than Dia or lolBio. Otherwise, you're hardly spamming VW to do your server a service. Shit you don't need is just bonus points toward your quest for a relic. Anyone looking to target a specific spell drop is SOL with how the recent ones have been implemented and you're capitalizing on dumb luck because the conditions established by SE favor it.

[Greatguardian]

Sadly, in too many servers, "passable" melees/light melees are perle and aurore, even seeing them in events like voidwatch is not uncommon, they suck but theyre taken anyway cause theyre skilled and can proc, then theres no rush/kill because killpower is lacking. Its just how things work outside of perfect-ville, a place most of us do not live in.

If they're skilled, they don't have Perle and Aurore. Period. It is absolutely not passable in any sense of the word.

Tried that. Got my lion's share of logs and ore. Then WoE died. Either way, both WoE and VW tend to require lots of people, so your time isn't just your own, and I have a hunch you aren't sharing your profits with those you VW with (and aren't as lucky) as a result. So let's not pretend gil is falling from the sky or, hell, that naked mages amount to much when casting more than Dia or lolBio. Otherwise, you're hardly spamming VW to do your server a service. Shit you don't need is just bonus points toward your quest for a relic. Anyone looking to target a specific spell drop is SOL with how the recent ones have been implemented and you're capitalizing on dumb luck because the conditions established by SE favor it.

It's called the law of large numbers, you may want to look into it sometime. It's unfortunate, but it's how FFXI's random number generator works. Doing Part 1 and 2 Voidwatch? It was pretty reasonable for someone to spam it for weeks and never see the scroll they want. Doing Part 3? Stuff rains from the sky. Even if you don't get Comet specifically, you'll end up with enough money drops that you'll be able to buy comet after a few runs regardless. The odds of getting Comet specifically become unimportant, as the only important number is your average gil/run

Comet and other spells also drop from HKCNMs for those who are too busy drowning in their own self-pity to do anything that requires more than 1-2 people.

[saevel]

Tried that. Got my lion's share of logs and ore. Then WoE died. Either way, both WoE and VW tend to require lots of people, so your time isn't just your own, and I have a hunch you aren't sharing your profits with those you VW with (and aren't as lucky) as a result. So let's not pretend gil is falling from the sky or, hell, that naked mages amount to much when casting more than Dia or lolBio. Otherwise, you're hardly spamming VW to do your server a service. Shit you don't need is just bonus points toward your quest for a relic. Anyone looking to target a specific spell drop is SOL with how the recent ones have been implemented and you're capitalizing on dumb luck because the conditions established by SE favor it.

Well some spells can be farmed through HKCNM's and what not. They drop at a much higher rate that way.

[ManaKing]

As far as Saevel is concerned, not everyone who dislikes melee is a bandwagon pink mage - but you already knew that and just wanted to start trouble anyways. Plenty of us have both WHM and RDM leveled. Gee, I wonder why that is. Would be pretty redundant to have WHM and WHM-2 if that's all it was.

I really don't know about that. How often do you actually take your RDM to anything VS your WHM? I'm just pointing out that the WHM is infinitely more useful because it can actually do it's job. I'm just wondering what job or role you are filling with your RDM, if at all.

I'm being serious, btw. I understand we have a certain level of tension on these boards, but I legitimately want to know what you do with your RDM.

[Seriha]

Luck of those I know suggests otherwise, and seals are far more finite than the alternatives. Either way, proposing the drop rates are good doesn't really help the guy who's 0/way too many attempts and rather demoralized by their effort yielding nothing. My own experiences in WoE put me at over 40 runs with the only scrolls to show for it being some of the sub-90 BRD carols. While I tend to advise people looking for a given scroll to just buy it, I am conscious of the fact that if everyone just did that and stopped doing the given events, the situation won't improve any. T3 VW may be cool now, but can we say it will still be a month or two from now? And from what I see of PUGs, the shouters are pretty much Emp/Relic or GTFO. And that, for an average player, is an entirely different can of worms.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Greatguardian... did you seriously substitute(confuse?) an intangable measurement of ability (player skill) for in game numerical values based on actions performed(Combat/magic skills)? The statment you just made has to be the most absurd thing i have ever heard. Your combat skill values can be capped without any equipment, so yes "skilled" characters CAN be wearing perle/aurore. You are refering to "skilled players" but never specified, to which, a skilled player can be unfortuinate enough to only have the time to wear perle/aurore and the like. You can try to measure gear against skill, but that is impossible. Sure a well geared player will usually play better but anyone buying an account with a relic greataxe and full gearsets doesnt mean much when the player doesnt know how to use them. If anything gear is a measurement of dedication/luck. Yes i said it luck, i got my zelus tiara by luck, i have the knowledge and skill to know when to use it but it was luck 100%.

So were you just trying to contradict me to make yourself seem superior? To be clear im not picking a fight with you but your views and statements. Not everyone has the sort of linkshell or time to dedicate to farming endlessly with the events that they may or may not already attend. But to you those are just unwashed mases, the poor people cluttering up your game and the way you play right? The reason people dont like you weighing in on topics isnt because you're against them, but because your attitude makes talking to you a chore, and very unpleasant. I dont dissagree people should be mostly out of perle (when possible) by now, but try treating us as people rather than uneducated and try to keep your statements with a positive, less condesending tone if possible? Its very old and tired by now. Just my 2 cents, im done in this topic.