Magic Acc+ Staffs

[Neisan_Quetz]

I don't know what to say then. Unless Rdm somehow gets useless useful spells that land on NMs, I don't think anyone's ever going to go "Good job, your slow landed 50% harder than the last Rdm's!" (This is just an example, it's not serious)

[Jerbob]

On the topic of magic accuracy staves, how does the Shareeravadi +3 on magic accuracy path (M.Acc+20) fare against HQ elemental staves? I know it doesn't even begin to touch the elemental affinity magic accuracy ones, but I'm coming from a white mage, consolidating inventory whilst preserving existing enfeebling potential perspective rather than sticking enfeebles on resistant stuff (which I can't do anyway, affinity staves or otherwise).

Apologies for the slight derail, but this seemed like the best place to ask.

[Economizer]

On the topic of magic accuracy staves, how does the Shareeravadi +3 on magic accuracy path (M.Acc+20) fare against HQ elemental staves?

I sorta covered this earlier when I mentioned that the HQ 51 staves have +30 magic accuracy. It basically compares to the NQ versions (+20 magic accuracy).

Although, compared to the magian cure staff it has a higher DPS, so if you do choose to get it, you can use it for staff melee a tiny, tiny bit, although if you are doing that you should either consider the use of a darkness affinity one for Catacylsm, or something more melee specific like the magian attack staff or the Fulcrum Pole. Well, better then any of those suggestions, just switch to a club...

[Greatguardian]

Nope, just pointing out that a staff isnt going to help a RDM do anything remotely impressive at this point, because RDM doesn't do anything remotely impressive as a legit mage. There is nothing on a staff that will help a RDM do anything better except heal or nuke. Our enfeebling is an ON/OFF switch. SE has it turned off for a large majority of newer mobs. A MACC anything isn't going to land against immunity because that is the way SE set it up.



So why are you playing it like a BLM/WHM that doesn't have access to anything past Thunder IV? Seriously, ask yourself. Staves are blatantly not the way RDM is going because you can't land enfeebles with or without and RDMs Melee better than they nuke (even though they melee worse than most jobs).

I'm not advocating to melee RDM, I'm advocating RDM actually being fixed to something other than a glutton for punishment. My survivability against any mob that can't almost instantly kill me is hilariously high and my DPS is depressingly low, regardless of gear. It's like they made an off tank on accident and then decided that tanking isn't what they wanted RDM to do, so they broke everything on the job that could help it tank.

I'm not say that I want RDM going that way either, but I would like some legit DPS or some kind of actual utility that makes RDM worthy of person's time on a statistical basis, rather than something that resembles romanticism.

Stop trying to make up arguments where there are none. No one in this thread gives a god damned holy flying burrito about bloody melee.

Whether you melee or not is completely inconsequential because MAcc swords are fucking terrible and should never be used in the front or back line for anything aside from a Convert macro ever. If you are currently using them for such, drop them and make some real swords like STR shamshirs and an Almace/WoE. Seriously. Drop them. Save yourself the inventory.

[Jerbob]

Oh, that's a shame. Thanks for the information though. Yes, I have the Pet: MAB version of the Shareeravadi and was surprised at the damage rating, and I do have a Fulcrum Pole, if not for the damage then for the looks... nice and spikey.

[saevel]

Oh, that's a shame. Thanks for the information though. Yes, I have the Pet: MAB version of the Shareeravadi and was surprised at the damage rating, and I do have a Fulcrum Pole, if not for the damage then for the looks... nice and spikey.

Hey with shattersoul being what it is, I can very well see people doing staff builds. Especially SMN's.

[ManaKing]

Hey with shattersoul being what it is, I can very well see people doing staff builds. Especially SMN's.

You'd think with all the B,C,D, and E skills we have, they really could have made us bad with staves too.

IF RDM had a staff skill I would be all over that, but alas, we do not.

Stop trying to make up arguments where there are none. No one in this thread gives a god damned holy flying burrito about bloody melee.

Whether you melee or not is completely inconsequential because MAcc swords are fucking terrible and should never be used in the front or back line for anything aside from a Convert macro ever. If you are currently using them for such, drop them and make some real swords like STR shamshirs and an Almace/WoE. Seriously. Drop them. Save yourself the inventory.

The only person I see being inflammatory in this thread GG is you. NQ can be civil and actually discuss things. Please stop talking like there is a right and wrong way to play RDM, the entire job is sub par. It's insulting to listen to you berate things with an air of elitism about something that isn't elite in the smallest bit. RDM is the definition of generic and marginalized in FFXI. If you want to spend your energies on something constructive, try being nice to people and actually start something on the RDM forums.

Face facts, RDM isn't good at anything. But what it particularly isn't good at is being a straight mage because it doesn't have the spell library to support it. You can't nuke past Thunder IV, you can't cure past Cure IV, and no one really cares about you because you aren't better than either a BLM or a WHM, which they could replace you with. Even SCH is actually better than RDM at this point. It really is a shame that you fight other RDMs instead of actually attempting to address SE with grievances for your job. But hey I guess RDMs can just be known as the job that in-fights all day, because they certainly don't do anything else better than anyone.

[Zerich]

this whole thread is so off-topic

not once did i (the op) mention or even state that i care about sub-par melee weapons with magic acc+

i just was asking about the staffs

thank you to those who actually gave feedback/insight into the topic

to the rest.... /stare /sigh

[Greatguardian]

"Because RDM sucks, it doesn't matter if it uses crappy weapons" ?

Don't see your point. In fact, it's everything that's wrong with most Melee RDMs and even those on this forum would agree that the reputation of RdMelee as a whole is significantly worse off because of people who follow similar veins of thought. If you're going to do anything, melee or otherwise, do it well. MAcc swords are complete and utter trash.

And yeah, I don't even know how this started either. Apparently Mana likes Macc swords, and instead of quietly throwing them away and getting real swords he seems to be insisting on convincing us that "Because Rdm is second class, it doesn't matter if it uses second class weapons".

[Doombringer]

red mage! twice the effort for half the respect!

but what exactly are you expecting to get for half the effort?

"that splits them into some kinda fraction i can't even measure"