Magic Acc+ Staffs

[saevel]

Man all i'm hearing is NQ and GG still talk like spending any time on a RDM is anything but a waste of time. Jobs broke. You play it for fun. Blah blah blag RDM<BLM for nukes and that wasn't even the question. The question was if elemental staves are worth making on a RDM. The answer is no. You won't stick enfeebles any better and you'll never nuke better than a BLM. Welcome to RDM, balance means that you're probably never actually be legitimately useful. Fun.

This is why I've added them both to my ignore lost. GG is just trolling the RDM forums trying to start arguments, same with NQ. NQ is most likely shadowedge off Ala, he use's practically the exact same argument structure. He pretends to be a RDM but all his arguments boil down to "go play BLU instead its better".

I have a blast playing RDM, lately it's been RDM/DNC + BLU/DNC as me and a friend are douing to get all our -1 relic and the items to upgrade them.

To the OP, I wouldn't bother with +M.acc staves on RDM. With all the +enf skill and +MND / INT we have you'll either stick the enfeebled or the target immune / resistant, in which case it's futile. For nuking I'd suggest the potency staves if your absolutely set on it. I also dislike the M.acc swords for the same reason, your either going to stick the spell or not be able to.

[Seriha]

My only gripe with calling the MACC swords useless is that they can be useful to Convert sets with the MP. Maybe not so much if you're Taru, but a higher likelihood with Galka and other races depending on your gear and how anal you are about a 1:1 ratio, especially if using a non-MP sub like /NIN or /DNC.

[Neisan_Quetz]

No, I'm Neisan on QCDN Zam FFXIAH here and BG, I thought it was pretty damn obvious since I use almost the exact same name on every single forum I post on.

I've been playing Rdm since 05 and entered the game on Rdm1/No sub. I always have fun on Rdm. That doesn't stop the job being marginalized on harder content. And easier content when it comes to Abyssea. And there's no reason to go Rdm in Dynamis, especially in your setup.

[Greatguardian]

I can concede the MP being worthwhile for Convert if you need them.

That's seriously about all they're good for, though. Just because RDM isn't the best job in the game doesn't mean it's okay to halfass it and make crappy, worthless swords that you should pretty much never use outside of a vert macro.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you have room for a massive convert kit I'd like to know what you're not carrying on Rdm.

[Ketaru]

Man all i'm hearing is NQ and GG still talk like spending any time on a RDM is anything but a waste of time. Jobs broke. You play it for fun. Blah blah blag RDM<BLM for nukes and that wasn't even the question. The question was if elemental staves are worth making on a RDM.

Where are you getting any of this? The only thing mentioned that's even remotely BLM-related was Elemental Seal.

[Greatguardian]

And before I get called a melee-hater for calling the swords useless, if you're melee'ing in MAcc swords then even Saevel will have damn good reason to kick your ass.

[ManaKing]

Nope, just pointing out that a staff isnt going to help a RDM do anything remotely impressive at this point, because RDM doesn't do anything remotely impressive as a legit mage. There is nothing on a staff that will help a RDM do anything better except heal or nuke. Our enfeebling is an ON/OFF switch. SE has it turned off for a large majority of newer mobs. A MACC anything isn't going to land against immunity because that is the way SE set it up.

Rdm was never meant to nuke better per nuke than a blm, period. That doesn't mean halfass your gear and suck at it.

So why are you playing it like a BLM/WHM that doesn't have access to anything past Thunder IV? Seriously, ask yourself. Staves are blatantly not the way RDM is going because you can't land enfeebles with or without and RDMs Melee better than they nuke (even though they melee worse than most jobs).

I'm not advocating to melee RDM, I'm advocating RDM actually being fixed to something other than a glutton for punishment. My survivability against any mob that can't almost instantly kill me is hilariously high and my DPS is depressingly low, regardless of gear. It's like they made an off tank on accident and then decided that tanking isn't what they wanted RDM to do, so they broke everything on the job that could help it tank.

I'm not say that I want RDM going that way either, but I would like some legit DPS or some kind of actual utility that makes RDM worthy of person's time on a statistical basis, rather than something that resembles romanticism.

[Greatguardian]

Nope, just pointing out that a staff isnt going to help a RDM do anything remotely impressive at this point, because RDM doesn't do anything remotely impressive as a legit mage. There is nothing on a staff that will help a RDM do anything better except heal or nuke. Our enfeebling is an ON/OFF switch. SE has it turned off for a large majority of newer mobs. A MACC anything isn't going to land against immunity because that is the way SE set it up.



So why are you playing it like a BLM/WHM that doesn't have access to anything past Thunder IV? Seriously, ask yourself. Staves are blatantly not the way RDM is going because you can't land enfeebles with or without and RDMs Melee better than they nuke (even though they melee worse than most jobs).

I'm not advocating to melee RDM, I'm advocating RDM actually being fixed to something other than a glutton for punishment. My survivability against any mob that can't almost instantly kill me is hilariously high and my DPS is depressingly low, regardless of gear. It's like they made an off tank on accident and then decided that tanking isn't what they wanted RDM to do, so they broke everything on the job that could help it tank.

I'm not say that I want RDM going that way either, but I would like some legit DPS or some kind of actual utility that makes RDM worthy of person's time on a statistical basis, rather than something that resembles romanticism.

Stop trying to make up arguments where there are none. No one in this thread gives a god damned holy flying burrito about bloody melee.

Whether you melee or not is completely inconsequential because MAcc swords are fucking terrible and should never be used in the front or back line for anything aside from a Convert macro ever. If you are currently using them for such, drop them and make some real swords like STR shamshirs and an Almace/WoE. Seriously. Drop them. Save yourself the inventory.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you're on Rdm to do something 'impressive', you're on the wrong job. If I can melee it within what I consider to be sensible reason, I'm gonna pull out Almace. If I can't, I have magian staves (4 more to go FML). Adapt to the situation and do what you can.