Ukko's on test server?

[Tagrineth]

As a paying customer, yes...yes I do. Wanting anything less for your dollar is moronic. Playing the role of idealist, they completely broke them with Abyssea, why can't they completely fix them with something else?

What you perceive to be less imbalance is only shifting it somewhere else.

If they broke the mechanics with abyssea why did your previous post illustrating all the game's imbalance not even mention abyssea?

I perceive it as less imbalance because the nerf on Ukko's puts Warrior in line with 18 of the other jobs. The fact that Samurai is still ridiculous doesn't factor into that!

[Cowardlybabooon]

I'm a Vereth MNK and I still think aftermath is kinda being ignored in this argument. Empy weapons are still going to be very strong overall. I don't see SAM ONRY coming out of this. I see SAM being allowed to show up again. And saying that an under geared SAM will still be good is very unlikely. Basically the argument only applies if both the SAM and WAR are equally geared, in which case they will likely be even due to Ukko's having aftermath and Shoha not.

More importantly, we really don't know what 99 empys have in store.

[Originalkord]

If they broke the mechanics with abyssea why did your previous post illustrating all the game's imbalance not even mention abyssea?

Pretty sure I've touched on that in one of my previous posts. You may recall one or two of them.

I perceive it as less imbalance because the nerf on Ukko's puts Warrior in line with 18 of the other jobs. The fact that Samurai is still ridiculous doesn't factor into that!

That's fine if thats how you see it. Its clear that the majority here dont share that opinion. At least my WAR will be in line with Bard though...if thats what you meant with the other 18.

[Tagrineth]

That's fine if thats how you see it. Its clear that the majority here dont share that opinion. At least my WAR will be in line with Bard though...if thats what you meant with the other 18.

fucking christ is it always just one extreme to the other with you? There is such a thing as middle of the road!

lol.

But yeah you're right, Warrior no longer having the single best weapon skill in the game, instead having maybe the 2nd or 3rd best weapon skill in the game, on a weapon with str+20 and the... what... 3rd highest base dmg category of epic two-handed weapons (behind Scythe and Polearm, respectively)...

Or were you making a reference to my saying WAR is balanced with the other 18 jobs and took that in the dumbest way possible, e.g. that I was saying its damage output is equal to all of theirs individually, rather than that the job is overall balanced with those? Obviously I wasn't talking about just fucking damage output. Herp derp derrrrrrr derp. Because you know, RDM and BRD can do SO much damage, that's clearly what they're invited to groups for and how they're balanced (DISCLAIMER: not that I'm saying necessarily that they are balanced, but moreso than Warrior is right now).


You know what? Fuck it. Why should they even bother trying to balance the game if all people do is whine that their instakill toy is no longer pumping out the biggest numbers in the game, then bitch that bringing a job more in line with others' abilities is NOT balancing...

[Siiri]

War still has great job abilities for DD compared to most others, like retaliation, warcry, berserk and native double attack. They still have strong weaponskills, in fact those checking the math still saying War will be the no. 1 DD. Comparing a war to brd is just ridiculous and makes the argument look silly. I do agree that SAM is not balanced either and should be facing a similar adjustment.

[Originalkord]

You know what? Fuck it. Why should they even bother trying to balance the game if all people do is whine that their instakill toy is no longer pumping out the biggest numbers in the game, then bitch that bringing a job more in line with others' abilities is NOT balancing...

Douche rocket....listen...I'll type it in caps so you can better understand....

YOU BALANCE THE GAME BY MAKING CHANGES TO MORE THAN ONE FUCKING JOOOOBBBB!!! NERF THE DAMAGE ON WAR BUT BE SURE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP REPLACING ONE OVERPOWERED FUCKING JOB WITH ANOTHER ONE...!

You're ignorance is downright offensive. If you think downgrading the damage on WAR is going to balance 18 other jobs then, well...ignorance is bliss after all, I guess.

[Cowardlybabooon]

If they make everything else stronger then they will have to make all mobs harder too. This was a better way to do it.

[Originalkord]

If they make everything else stronger then they will have to make all mobs harder too. This was a better way to do it.

Lmao...they really wouldn't.

Again, the argument is that 3 WARs can kill anything. If they DID make EVERY DD on the same level (which if you've been reading I am NOT suggesting they do) then all they're doing is making it so that any combination of 3 DD can kill anything. Things won't suddenly becoming weaker just because you have a bigger variety of jobs--thats just silly logic.

[Tagrineth]

Douche rocket....listen...I'll type it in caps so you can better understand....

YOU BALANCE THE GAME BY MAKING CHANGES TO MORE THAN ONE FUCKING JOOOOBBBB!!! NERF THE DAMAGE ON WAR BUT BE SURE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THE NECESSARY CHANGES SO THAT YOU DON'T END UP REPLACING ONE OVERPOWERED FUCKING JOB WITH ANOTHER ONE...!

You're ignorance is downright offensive. If you think downgrading the damage on WAR is going to balance 18 other jobs then, well...ignorance is bliss after all, I guess.

And you're just as fucking ignorant because I'm not at all saying "Just balance WAR out and be done with it lolololol", of course there's still lots of work to be done before the game is actually balanced at all.

One step at a fucking time. Obviously SE isn't that great at actually balancing things. If they try to balance like 5 jobs at once who knows what they'll fuck up. -_- It's gonna be a gradual process, and right now the only obvious outliers are Ukko's Fury and to a slightly lesser extent Victory Smite. So those are what get hit.

For the whole "WAAAH WAAAH I'M A WHINY BABY CRYING ABOUT SPAMURAI" there's no empirical evidence yet that Samurai really WILL be the New Hotness™. Look how long it took to prove that Ukko's Fury is as broken as it is! If it does turn out that the Warriors in the alliances get replaced with Samurai, SE will deal with it in kind. Give them time. After all... they JUST finished getting us to the fucking level cap.

[scaevola]

Alright, go kill your 2x nm's to kill 25x Carabosse's and 2x nm's to pop 25x CC's in 2x days while everyone spends weeks farming 10-13 NM's to pop 1x nm that drops 2x shells or buds. Then come back to me and talk about why Ukon and Vereth shouldn't out-do the rest.

When SAMs and DRKs can pursue a Tahrongi route to give Masa/Calad a weapon skill on par with Ukko's, this argument will be valid.

(also, Redemption says shut the hell up, Donnie)