Here is your "Playerbase"

[Xellith]

I think SE thinks that if they treat us bad with FFXI thinking that we will try out FFXIV. I don't know about you guys - but if they treat us like this with FFXI I feel that along the road we are gonna get the same treatment with FFXIV.

The Devs don't listen. They hear us - but they arn't listening.

[Dreamin]

I think SE thinks that if they treat us bad with FFXI thinking that we will try out FFXIV. I don't know about you guys - but if they treat us like this with FFXI I feel that along the road we are gonna get the same treatment with FFXIV.

The Devs don't listen. They hear us - but they arn't listening.

Yup, there's absolutely zero reason to believe that they will change their ways at all for 14. So why start another addiction when you know it's going to be another version of the same of 'we know best, just stfu and play the way we intended the game to be', 'sorry, didn't know there are any players complaining since we stuck our heads in the sand', etc. etc.

Definitely not going to be playing FF14 for sure. Nor will I even try it again until SE is willing to change their attitude towards the playerbase.

[svengalis]

Its screaming at you.

Listen to us very clearly,

We have had it.

Why make these forums if you don't listen to anything logical?

99 lvl WS < 60 lvl WS...

That's not right.

Fix this cesspool of disgusting updates,

WE WANT STRONGER WEAPONSKILLS!

Yes, I know,

"Balance."

Your balance is killing this game.

If they did this the only thing that would happen is that you would get Relic, Empyrean, and Mythic owners in here all crying about how free weaponskills > ultimate weapon's weaponskills then they will want a fix for that also.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

If they did this the only thing that would happen is that you would get Relic, Empyrean, and Mythic owners in here all crying about how free weaponskills > ultimate weapon's weaponskills then they will want a fix for that also.

Can make a stronger WS to trump normal ones but not relics. That said, the main bonus of them is Aftermath, these WS' will never have that.

[Luvbunny]

Best thing that could happen is the day subs start for ff14 everyone quits ff11, and we know many people will leave ff14, not worth paying for.

so.

now they have to answer to CEOs, presidents and shareholders because they will have lost about 50 million dollars a year in revenue stream. They will all be out of a job, then maybe they will clue into what they have done wrong.

Well, let's be nice to them and give them the greatest gift for Christmas, shall we? Hit that cancel subscription or don't add crysta for January. The numbers of people who cancel after lvl 99 updates should give them plenty to think about next year. Not to mention if no one is paying for 14 - or if the numbers is very low, they will have to do something. Expect some "nice adjustment" if hordes of people cancel their subscription.

[FrankReynolds]

Well, let's be nice to them and give them the greatest gift for Christmas, shall we? Hit that cancel subscription or don't add crysta for January. The numbers of people who cancel after lvl 99 updates should give them plenty to think about next year. Not to mention if no one is paying for 14 - or if the numbers is very low, they will have to do something. Expect some "nice adjustment" if hordes of people cancel their subscription.

LOL @ organizing a boycott on an official forum. That would be hilarious.

[Luvbunny]

LOL @ organizing a boycott on an official forum. That would be hilarious.

LOL not a boycott per se but advising people, if you fed up talking to a wall, the drop in financial statement will jolt them awake - look at FF14 - and the years after WoTG before Abyssea. They are feeling "invincible" right now and boastful, just deflate their ego and pride with a simple prick of ka-ching. You will see them do quick "adjustment" soon after - started with "after evaluating....blah blah, we decided to...".

[FrankReynolds]

LOL not a boycott per se but advising people, if you fed up talking to a wall, the drop in financial statement will jolt them awake - look at FF14 - and the years after WoTG before Abyssea. They are feeling "invincible" right now and boastful, just deflate their ego and pride with a simple prick of ka-ching. You will see them do quick "adjustment" soon after - started with "after evaluating....blah blah, we decided to...".

Unfortunately we are dealing with really dense people here. They would likely just merge some servers, and continue with business as usual.

[Luvbunny]

Unfortunately we are dealing with really dense people here. They would likely just merge some servers, and continue with business as usual.

Not as dense as you may think. FF14's big massive meltdown of a fail launch did not go unnoticed. It forced certain someone to stepped down, apologized and pretty much got a slap in the face publicly - the CEO had to written letter of apologize since it tainted the FF brand name. FF13's linearity and "straight line" dungeons also did not go unnoticed, hence the sequel addressed many of the issues of the original. And if you look at all the expansion released after the "highly lauded" CoP (simply for the fact that 3 years after released only 10% of player base have access to sea) - every expansion after CoP are "more accessible" and catered toward the casual players (let's say a juggernaut named WoW did something to this as well). With the rise of casual gamers from Wii, facebook, and mobile devices, SE will have to take into account on the shift in the gaming landscape. No doubt Abyssea probably was created in respond to this and so far has been extremely well received - except by those who wants "more hamster wheel grinds" and fight mobs that are "super hard" (have tons of HP and one shot you over and over).

[Chriscoffey]

Not as dense as you may think. FF14's big massive meltdown of a fail launch did not go unnoticed. It forced certain someone to stepped down, apologized and pretty much got a slap in the face publicly - the CEO had to written letter of apologize since it tainted the FF brand name. FF13's linearity and "straight line" dungeons also did not go unnoticed, hence the sequel addressed many of the issues of the original. And if you look at all the expansion released after the "highly lauded" CoP (simply for the fact that 3 years after released only 10% of player base have access to sea) - every expansion after CoP are "more accessible" and catered toward the casual players (let's say a juggernaut named WoW did something to this as well). With the rise of casual gamers from Wii, facebook, and mobile devices, SE will have to take into account on the shift in the gaming landscape. No doubt Abyssea probably was created in respond to this and so far has been extremely well received - except by those who wants "more hamster wheel grinds" and fight mobs that are "super hard" (have tons of HP and one shot you over and over).

You honestly have no fucking clue what you are even talking about when discussing end game. Your idea of 7+ years of playing something is zerging it down in 4 minutes so you can watch another episode of Jersey Shore apparently.

While that type of play can very well be kept I rather fight something that takes longer to kill myself with no zerg available and teamwork alliance fights "end game". There was way more teamwork involved before abyssea even after SE overpowered the jobs way past the HNM scene. They never added challenging fights and just allowed everything to be easier and easier. I have argued both type of playing can be maintained, however, your type of player base believes they are entitled to everything without the actual challenging factors involved.

I tried Wow out for a week because Ireek (Carbuncle) one of the developers swore it would blow me away with how the game was. That game to me was total fail to anything i was looking for. I guess what i am trying to get at with your type of game play is this concept. The idea that you need a strategy guide before you even play a game because it is too hard to comprehend the basics by yourself. The idea that there has to be cheat codes and "easy mode" so you can feel a sense of self accomplishment and entitlement to things others have taken time to understand better.

If you want FFXI to be what everyone wants why does it seem like every post made brings that entitlement that the game should cater around your "fun" but for someone who desire a bit more in depth end game mechanics we should be thrown out or forgotten about. Why does teamwork with 18 people scare the living shit out of the casual player base where you can't zerg it down in 1 minute or so? I said the game should be both and i agree its better for casual playing after abyssea and a good change. I just don't think this game should always center around that.

I have been buying Square games since FF1 on NES when it came out. I think i should have some damn say so as to what I like in a game and it sure as hell is not zerg mode on everything.