[dev1049] New weapon skills

[Theytak]

Well, it seemed you had the assumption that Fudo/Kaiten have an attack bonus, which they do not. You're also under the assumption that they're extremely powerful ws, which compared to strong ws on just about every other DD job, they are not.

I never said that Fudo/Kaiten get an attack bonus. And are you comparing these ws inside or outside of lolabyssea?

Shoha is something that's extremely needed for sam in the current state of the ws for the current state of sam and the game. Nerfing it is straight up making sam an inferior DD by not giving them a relevant ws.

....wut? Are you seriously trying to say that sam isn't one of the most powerful jobs in the game right now? How is Shoha something sam NEEDED? That's like saying Cors NEED a full sized cannon to shoot with because they're pirates.

You also think Sonic Drive is a better ws than Drakesbane, which will never be the case. And you also think Stardiver is a bad ws when it really isn't that bad.

I NEVER said it was better. I put a question mark by it because I know it was a decent~strong ws when it was released, but like I said, I never read anything about drg, so I have no idea.

Greataxe is ALWAYS superior to single axes and you should almost always be using RR (because apparently Ukko's is hard to get).

While I completely agree with this sentiment (and didn't say, or even imply otherwise), I would ask you that you tell that to every war that owns a farsha. No seriously, tell them, because seeing a war with a farsha makes me cringe.

tl;dr You're entire post is extremely flawed. And above everything, you missed the point of who you quoted. If you still don't get the point of Iron's post, it's that sam isn't a good DD compared to war and other options on anything relevant in the game and you're asking for the thing that's going to help fix that to be nerfed.

wtf is with people and their inability to read and comprehend? SUPERGEARUKONWAR applies to the top 5~10% of the players, and requires a fairly decent amount of work and understanding of the job to pull off. Prior to achieving that level of play, sam wins almost every time.

Perle War vs Perle Sam: Sam wi... no, nvm, They're both wearing perle, no body wins in that situation.
Step-above-perle-AH War vs Step-above-perle-AH Sam: Sam wins
Decently geared War vs Decently Geared Sam: Sam wins
Moderately well geared War vs Moderately well geared Sam: Sam wins
Well geared War vs Well geared Sam: War can finally compete with Sam, depending on the individual player.
Top of the Line War vs Top of the Line Sam: War wins

The reason Sam wins is because sam is just damn easier to gear for, and has a lot more access to Store TP than any other DD. Sam requires much more lenient levels of Gear Quality and Player Intelligence to play well, and that's the bulk of its problem.

I don't care if SUPERGODMOADSAM can't beat SUPERGODMOADWAR, because the chances of me ever being in a party with them are pretty much nil. I do, however, care about the fact that since I will never achieve SUPERGODMOAD status in terms of gear, no matter how well I gear myself, I'll always get shown up by some Sam who doesn't understand anything about the game an just spams his crap, due entirely to having a heavy advantage in base work required to do good damage.

I don't have a problem getting beaten in a parse by someone who's done more work on their character, or even someone who's put in as much work as I have. I do have a problem with some random idiot being able to slap on any old thing and suddenly be able to keep up with me, without putting in 1/10 the effort.

Also, Shoha's totally broken compared to the other merit ws, and you seriously can't deny that. Talk about missing the point though. My whole point was that, if SE wanted to nerf one of the new WS, they should nerf one that's amazing, rather than nerfing the ones that are already horribad. It's kind of like kicking a dog. If there was no way to avoid it happening, would you rather watch someone kick a healthy dog that can fend for itself, or a sick puppy that can barely stand? Also, come on. They're never gonna nerf sam, this is Samurai Fantasy XI.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Farsha is for brews that's about it.

Maybe a faux high damage main hand on bst? Idk I only see them in pet axes all the time. Or Glyph Axes...

Sam is powerful but it's not the most powerful DD in the game. Do not fear though, SE is clearly hard at work rectifying this problem.

There's something about catering to the lowest denominator in all this, but I'm too tired to post it.

[SpankWustler]

I think not accounting for Empyrean weaponskills is a big part of how the Development Bros came up with the statistics for these weaponskills in the first place. Or, in some cases, even considering a Warrior sacrificing well over 40 main-hand attack and accuracy to whack something with a Club instead of a Great Axe.

I feel like I'm dealing with a automotive salesman who wants to sell me a 1978 Chevy Van for 40,000 dollars because it weighs twice as much as a new car. They're missing some very important factors and focusing on barely relevant stuff instead.

[Theytak]

I think not accounting for Empyrean weaponskills is a big part of how the Development Bros came up with the statistics for these weaponskills in the first place. Or, in some cases, even considering a Warrior sacrificing well over 40 main-hand attack and accuracy to whack something with a Club instead of a Great Axe.

I feel like I'm dealing with a automotive salesman who wants to sell me a 1978 Chevy Van for 40,000 dollars because it weighs twice as much as a new car. They're missing some very important factors and focusing on barely relevant stuff instead.

Sounds like business as usual to me

[casual]

I just wanted to add my 5 cents about how the devs are completely retarded at this point. I love sam and all, but the dev team has made it clear that they want most of these new ws to be useless or highly situational. Sam gets a WS that makes Masamune more or less useless, DRK gets another guillotine -1 that restores mp! Awesome.

[Arcon]

Being lazy does not provide grounds to exempt Empyrean weaponskills from your listings. They are the superior weaponskills in most or every situation, there's no getting around that. Many to most players do in fact have at least one Empyrean weapon, the lazy minority is not a model to work an entire argument around.

Empyrean weaponskills are the standard.

Big ass lie. Huge majority of people does not have an Empyrean.

Secondly, Empyreans isn't what this is about, they were talking about Hexa Strike, so he used comparable WS from other jobs to demonstrate his point. It's not at all related to how good or bad they are in comparison.

Shoha is something that's extremely needed for sam in the current state of the ws for the current state of sam and the game. Nerfing it is straight up making sam an inferior DD by not giving them a relevant ws.

That's wrong, SAM is a very powerful DD in the current state of the game, arguably the best. Although that wasn't even the point, it just shows you don't know your shit.

As for the current topic (Realmrazer nerf), I can't say anything that hasn't been said already. Although if I do, maybe it'll carry more weight, so here goes: Retarded. Another example in a long line of mistakes by the development team. Good going, guys.

[Saiken253]

You guys just don't understand what the Dev teams for FFXi are going for!

LONGEST COMBO OF TERRIBLE DECISIONS EVER!

And to have a good idea now would be a major

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

I'm done trolling the devs now lol~

[Urteil]

You guys just don't understand what the Dev teams for FFXi are going for!

LONGEST COMBO OF TERRIBLE DECISIONS EVER!

And to have a good idea now would be a major

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!

I'm done trolling the devs now lol~

No you aren't.

[IronPandemonium]

That's wrong, SAM is a very powerful DD in the current state of the game, arguably the best.

Shut up.

Guess what job I play in 2011, going on '12 currently with a weapon that I obtained in a mere two months compared to the two and a half years I took to complete my relic back before Abyssea.

You're one of those paladins without Ochain or even Almace that full times 5/5 Creed +2 because it's good, am I right.

[Mirage]

Dear developers.

There is no reason to balance weaponskills for level 96 up against weaponskills for level 50-70. It is only natural that higher level weaponskills turn out stronger than lower level weaponskills.

To take a bit of an extreme example. You say Realmrazer is going to end up weaker than hexa strike. Isn't the new Greataxe WS stronger than Raging Rush? Why can't Realmrazer be better than Hexa strike, in that case?