Relic Weapon Skills at Level 99

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I seriously hope you are joking. There are "by far, more relics than emps" is so inaccurate it isn't even funny. Try going here and then check here and cross reference the numbers. Emps have been available for a far shorter time than relics and there are nearly 10 times as many of them to date. I'm not sure where you are getting your info from, but next time come with sources before you flat out lie about it.

They're being pedantic with saying specifically level 95, due to Emp's Heavy Metal Plates requirement.

[Kitkat]

Oh dear, one trial ~rolls eyes~ Give me a break. They want to compare one trial difference yet they played the same cards when relic holders complained with the same points I just brought up. One trial is not a fair comparison, nor is it truely comparative considering the fact that Relics have to go through multiple upgrades after being made just to be a ~2/3 as strong in typical usage settings.

[scaevola]

They're being pedantic with saying specifically level 95, due to Emp's Heavy Metal Plates requirement.

The thread is about balancing the two types of weapons at 99. Unless you find a way to get an Empyrean to level 99 without trading in 1500 HMPs, it's as relevant as any other stage.

Relics have been around longer than Emps, of course, but level 95 Relics have been around the exact same amount of time, and I have zero problems believing there are more of them because


wait for it


completing a level 95 Relic is easier than completing a level 95 Empyrean.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The thread is about balancing the two types of weapons at 99. Unless you find a way to get an Empyrean to level 99 without trading in 1500 HMPs, it's as relevant as any other stage.

Relics have been around longer than Emps, of course, but level 95 Relics have been around the exact same amount of time, and I have zero problems believing there are more of them because


wait for it


completing a level 95 Relic is easier than completing a level 95 Empyrean.

In the same way completing a level 90 Empyrean is easier than completing a level 75 relic.

Apoc.

Make the haste aftermath counted as it's own type of haste or at least magic haste, putting it as gear haste in a time when capping gear haste is so easy ruins its main claim to fame.

Magic is the only way it'd work, with Magic, gear and JA haste (which DRK caps for the most part of a battle) reach the cap on Haste fullstop, seeing as how the Haste cap won't be raised Magic is the way to go.

[detlef]

In the same way completing a level 90 Empyrean is easier than completing a level 75 relic.

Level 90 doesn't matter anymore when there's level 95 and soon to be 99 in the game. Is there even a reason to compare level 80 relic to level 80 empyrean?

Also, you simply can't ignore the level 95 empyrean trial. Sure the 95 isn't much of an upgrade over the 90 but if you want the 99 you can't avoid heavy metal plates. At level 99 we will see which weapons are the best and can finally determine which are worth the cost/effort.

[scaevola]

If your problem is that the 85 Empyreans (and perhaps even the 90s) are too easy to get, then maybe you'll agree with me when I say the standard of power for the new Merit Weaponskills ought to be Tachi: Shoha, which makes Fudo redundant.