Relic Weapon Skills at Level 99

[Kitkat]

Oh dear, one trial ~rolls eyes~ Give me a break. They want to compare one trial difference yet they played the same cards when relic holders complained with the same points I just brought up. One trial is not a fair comparison, nor is it truely comparative considering the fact that Relics have to go through multiple upgrades after being made just to be a ~2/3 as strong in typical usage settings.

[scaevola]

They're being pedantic with saying specifically level 95, due to Emp's Heavy Metal Plates requirement.

The thread is about balancing the two types of weapons at 99. Unless you find a way to get an Empyrean to level 99 without trading in 1500 HMPs, it's as relevant as any other stage.

Relics have been around longer than Emps, of course, but level 95 Relics have been around the exact same amount of time, and I have zero problems believing there are more of them because


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completing a level 95 Relic is easier than completing a level 95 Empyrean.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The thread is about balancing the two types of weapons at 99. Unless you find a way to get an Empyrean to level 99 without trading in 1500 HMPs, it's as relevant as any other stage.

Relics have been around longer than Emps, of course, but level 95 Relics have been around the exact same amount of time, and I have zero problems believing there are more of them because


wait for it


completing a level 95 Relic is easier than completing a level 95 Empyrean.

In the same way completing a level 90 Empyrean is easier than completing a level 75 relic.

Apoc.

Make the haste aftermath counted as it's own type of haste or at least magic haste, putting it as gear haste in a time when capping gear haste is so easy ruins its main claim to fame.

Magic is the only way it'd work, with Magic, gear and JA haste (which DRK caps for the most part of a battle) reach the cap on Haste fullstop, seeing as how the Haste cap won't be raised Magic is the way to go.

[macross]

I said lvl 95 empy vs lvl 95 relic. How many 95 empy have you seen? Where is your 95 if empy are so easy? How many 99 relics will there be vs 99 empys I wonder hrm?

As for only having a 95 empy and no relic, my relic bow will be completed on sunday, and yes it was very easy to make. Nothing hard about it cept having to wait 10 days for no reason cept for roleplaying aspects. All you have to simply do is buy currency and wait 10 days, kill a couple easy nm, and bam relic. There is nothing hard about it. I can make one relic every 30 days If I wanted too, and all it would take is gil. There is nothing, I repeat, nothing, difficult about that.

You cannot do an empy in a day. Takes many NM trials you have to do before you even get to the farming stage. Again, if you have 100m gils, you can buy your relic and finish it to 75 in 11 days(bogus wait time) as well, doing 3 dynamis for the NM stages in between those windows.

I'd like to see your cross referenced sources comparing # of 95 relics to 95 empys, then see who is lying or making stuff up. As I said, doesn't matter how easy the pre-trials are, what matters is the final weapon, 95 atm, or 99 which is coming soon. One weapon is harder to begin but easier to upgrade (relic) vs easier to being, harder to upgrade(empy).

[Kitkat]

You want to compare 1 trial, one single trial, just because it takes time to maybe give it +1weapon rank and +2 stat? I can tell you now that I can use a 95 relic and fight alongside the same weapon type Emp at 85 and not hope to contend WS to WS let alone with the aftermath compared to my OTD hidden (@~12% activation). A WoE+2 can out WS my relic, and that is the lesser version of the weapon.

No matter how you look at it the WS of Relics are weaker than they should be because they are missing the ability to scale in damage and have absolutely no TP modifiers. The 25% boost at 90 still only leaves it at 2/3 the strength. And all you want to do is come in here and say that one trial upgrade is comparison enough for the difference? What a joke.

[macross]

One trial is very important...
What was better? your lvl 75 relic, or your lvl 80 empy?
what was better? your lvl 80 relic, or your lvl 80 empy?
Each stage matters, each trial matters.
If lvl 99 is crazy hard for both weapons then they warrant upgrades. But for all you know, 99 relic can be super easy, while 99 empy can be another collect expensive items again. We don't know atm.

My point is, I'm sick and tired of seeing relic holders think they are so special for having a relic. It was the best for the longest time, but things change, gear changes, move on. If something is better, stop whining about it and make the better weapon. You got your 95 relic, yet you say you can make an empy in day. Thus wtfux aren't you making a 85 empy in a day if it's so much better than your 95 relic? Why not make the woe+2 if its so much easier yet is better. Why did you even upgrade your relic to 95? once you saw empy 85 are better? Should have spent that time making the empy instead, and putting relic in storage.

I spent millions making my salvage armor, but I don't complain AF3 blows it all away. I won't complain when Nyzul +5 blows away all the gear I've collected up to this point either. I will just upgrade, as every one who plays a mmo should be doing.

[Greatguardian]

99 Relics and 99 Emps will be about comparable in actual difficulty to make.

Hell, 99 Emps will be harder because it actually requires legwork rather than hurr durr fishing for a month.

The problem isn't 99 relics losing to 99 emps, as they should be fairly equitable. The issue is 85 Emps being too close in power to 99 Relics and 99 Emps. In that case, just buff all level 99 Ultimate weapons and keep them about par - or at least situationally useful.

[macross]

We won't know how 99' will be, we still dunno what afterglow is. Just watch afterglow will be uber, and blow away 85 empys, but relic holders will still complain if it's a difficult trial.

Bravura lets you tank better, ukko dps better
yoichi low enmity, gandiva more dmg
relics got their strengths too, it's not all about dmg you do.
gkts are pretty similar, so are daggers.

Anyhow if the 85 version of the weapon is stronger, why don't you have it. It only takes 1 day to make.

If they all do the same damage at 99, then what exactly was the point in putting empys in? Should they make bravura do the same damage as ukon, while keeping it's tanking properties? Should yoichi keep its low enmity, but do the dps as a gandiva? You can't have the best of both worlds all wrapped up into one weapon, especially given how easy it is to make relics these days.

Also empy are only usable on one job, where relics multi can use, that's gotta count for someting as well.

[Brolic]

We won't know how 99' will be, we still dunno what afterglow is. Just watch afterglow will be uber, and blow away 85 empys, but relic holders will still complain if it's a difficult trial.

Bravura lets you tank better, ukko dps better
yoichi low enmity, gandiva more dmg
relics got their strengths too, it's not all about dmg you do.
gkts are pretty similar, so are daggers.

Anyhow if the 85 version of the weapon is stronger, why don't you have it. It only takes 1 day to make.

If they all do the same damage at 99, then what exactly was the point in putting empys in? Should they make bravura do the same damage as ukon, while keeping it's tanking properties? Should yoichi keep its low enmity, but do the dps as a gandiva? You can't have the best of both worlds all wrapped up into one weapon, especially given how easy it is to make relics these days.

Also empy are only usable on one job, where relics multi can use, that's gotta count for someting as well.

h2h
sword
greatsword
dagger
axe
staff

wut?

[Vizardx]

im calling it now, after glow will do just that, make ur weapon glow during aftermath nothing more. This is SE we are talking about.