WSNM quest giver wont give WSNM before af1 completed and my weapons are 300+ skill

[Concerned4FFxi]

Twice now you've misunderstood, what's the point in posting again to you, or anyone else that gets cocky about there opinion yet misinterprets eveything I say to them.

I wouldn't outright call an opinion stupid, unless provoked first, but the comments on here by me are in plain simple english, please follow the converation.

You said to me orginally, when you quoted what i said:

And to round off: "the af3+2 body is far superior on damage per hit" - what exactly is that supposed to mean?? We are talking a piece of armour here, not a weapon.

"We are talking a piece of armour here, not a weapon", that's what you said, to this I replied:

Why was Kirin’s Osode so popular, because the +10 all stats affects damage output

"because the +10 all stats affects damage output"

To this you said:

Anyone tp'ing in Kirin's Osode is a moron, whether it's 2006 or 2011.

Where the hell do you see me saying it's a good tp peice, we were talking about stats on gear, any gear, and that it effects damage, duh, hello that's why stats are on your freaking ws set that you keep bringing up, because the gear effects damage.

Having to repeat myself on the same sub topic is crazy, there's no hope for a discussion here if as soon as I make a simple statement about the stats on gear to explain a simple point you take what I said, twice now, and twist the shit up, all why acting like I'm being silly when I didn't even hint at that.

Your previous statement you tried to act like stats on gear didn't affect damage, you think I'm saying to tp in osode now when I never said osode and tp in the same paragraph, stop reading into what I'm saying and READ WHAT IM SAYING.

Now be a good girl and point out to me where I mentioned tp in osode? If I wanted everything I said to be warped into nonsense I'd run for elected office. I've said my peace about why I LIKE AF3, if you can't get past plain english then my wall will do better as a debater, at least I don't have to worry about the wall not getting the basic arguement. I can't hope that you understand me at the core here for us to have a debate, if you can't undertsand the basics leading up to it what I'm trying to say as a whole. What's aggrivating is that you know exactly wtf I'm talking about, yet your still clueless about wtf I'm talking about, when you say I'm saying tp in osode, but what I'm saying, per the quote above, is so basic I can't believe I have to repeat stats on gear like str on osode add to damage output. That's all I am saying when I said that, nothing more and nothing less, nothing inbetween the lines.

And that's when you hit your migawari macro, swap to AF3 +1

Why macro the gearset in for migawari if the augment only works while the gear is equipped?See anyone can twist someone's words around, and play them out of context, so don't do it to me and I won't do it to you, ecxcept you actually did miss speak, I didn't make it up, but I'm big enough to understand it was a slip of the tongue and that you knew better:

If you don't make a migawari macro which includes equipping Iga Ningi +1 or +2, you're doing it wrong. Swap back to Ninja Chainmail once migawari wears.

Now, about what you said here:

Accuracy shouldn't be an issue in abyssea, neither should attack or crit hit rate. Outside abyssea, acc shouldn't be an issue either since nin doesn't tank in vwnm which really is the only occasion where acc will be a problem.

Wow, didn't I already respond to this?

Conclusion: From what I stated about having more Crit hits, and not fighting trash mobs, where the acc is needed such as HNM in the future, outside abyssea where stats on gear matters and acc isn‘t capped, some VW NM even, I prefer Af3+2 for tp body. I agree AF1 may get you to 100tp faster if your fighting low acc mobs, or in abyssea where stats on gear doesn’t mean as much, but I like the bonus of the af3 set and the stats on the af3+2 body better. If, I’m using af1+1 body, and I miss 1-2 hits on a HNM, then it is inferior in tp gain to af3+2 body, as well as the stat difference I already discussed.

Your gonna tp on these VWNM right? You even said that soime VWNM, acc might be a problem, well IF acc is a problem then af3+2 is going to land more hits than af1+1, more hits, more tp, more ws. That's the logic your going by for af1, and on high eva mobs, it's the same logic for af3 as well.

Also, note, I said HNM in the future in my quote above, I hope you weren't talking about this:

Indrik:
Scintillant Lance - Powerful conal, magical light damage. Damage rises with each use of
Damsel Memento

Assailer Chariot:
Discoid - Magical AoE damage dealing half of the total damage inflicted to it since the last time Discoid was used and it is used rather quickly from the readying stance.

Glavoid:
Disgorge - Conal Earth damage based on amount of HP drained by Gorge and amount of HP healed. Can be used without having successfully used Gorge prior.

Khimaira Family:
Plague Swipe - Delivers a threefold attack in a cone effect behind user. Additional effect: Bio + Plague

When you said this:
[QUOTE=Tamoa;238996]I'm sorry, I don't really consider abyssea nms to be HNMs.

You asked for an example of moves that could kill a nin in one hit, I gave you four above, at no time did I say these where HNM, or nm outside abyssea.

Actually - please do tell me what kind of AOE spell/move can 1shot or nearly 1shot a nin without migawari, because I can only think of self destruct and I don't know a single hnm which does that... So I would really like to know which HNM you are talking about in the above quote. Migawari is in my opinion a great spell for moves you KNOW will otherwise 1shot you. Oh and btw, migawari without Iga Ningi +1 or +2 will still save you from being 1shot.

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So think about, AF3+2 hits harder, and on higher eva mobs, hits and crits more often, and does more damage per hit due to critting more often, the +12str and the superior +7dex compared to its af1 counter part, what’s not to like.

What I said in my previous post is I like af3+2 better, it hits harder and with the set bonus I feel it’s better because it can tp almost as fast, but with the added bonuses that it offers I feel it wins out over af1 body. You can’t say that an extra 7Dex and 5% crit hit, 17 acc and 17 Attack doesn’t increase your damage per hit over af1. Also, despite the math which was done for tp purpose, where’s the math that covers crit hit rate comparison and over all damage vs. the two sets. Af3+2 does more damage per hit, over time that slight tp bonus advantage you get from swinging a little faster on af1 isn’t the same. I’m hitting harder every swing, I’m criting more

Look, I don't want to be mean to you or anybody else on here, period. I'm getting upset that you wish to use words such as moron, and if you or anyone else continues to behave like this then I'll continue to berate as well, just because you disagree or misunderstand what I'm saying, that to me is unacceptable.

I like AF3+2 better, I have 20 jobs, I have an empyrean and working on several others, I'm not interested in a slight DW gain, on low delay weapons, in a body slot when I can put on af3+2 with better stats. While it might not shine in abyssea, and I conceeded that already in my previous posts, it WILL and does out tp on high eva mobs, outside abyssea, and on future HNM.

The gain of af1 over af3 in the tp department in abyssea or on low eva trash mobs, to me, IS NOT worth my time. I got 20 jobs and gearing them and getting empyreans for them all, except a few empyreans like pole arm and staff, as well as 100 other things i'm doing is more important to me than getting a body peice that only gives a slight tp gain over af3 on mobs where acc is not an issue, aka, abyssea. Because in the end, that's all it is, slight, and only on trash. Go take the trash out then, i'll stick with af3 because until better comes out, this is what I'll use to tp and tank high eva mobs with, and since it can hit better and has more acc than af1, I'll see a better tp return than af1.

As for the feet, they are situational, that's an extra item I have to carry for night use only. I already have 12% movement speed feet for nin/sam that are 12% full time, reguardless of time of day. If I need to run that fast, i'll go thf and use flee, after I macro in the thf af1 feet. The point is, if I played only nin, I'd get everything for it, I don't only play nin and so I don't have time for something that is marginally better than another item and only in a certain situation, in this case af1 body inside abyssea and af1 feet at night only. But, if you read the orginal post, which has nothing to do with this current topic, you will see that I do have nin af1 feet and I don't bother with them they are in moogle storage. I prefer not to carry three feet just for nin, one to tp/cast shadows in, one to run at night, and one toi run in the day. Instead, I chose to carry just the af3 feet and the full time 12% nin/sam movement speed ones.

Also, by reading the orginal post, you might understand, you might not because it wasn't said clearly because it was off topic orginally, but before I even leveled ninja past 49, before I even did the wsnm quest or had katana skill oveer 250, I had the af3+2 body. That's the main reason I didn't want to do the af1 body, because it's not as good over all, and it only is good (af1 nin body), to me, in abyssea. Furthermore, as the op stated, I was being forced to do the af against my will, because of a previous bug I got last year or the year before that one, doing my third or four wsnm latent break, which seems to affect future wsnm latent breaks and occasionally af1 quests. The main reason of my position is that I already had af3+2 body, and didn't see the need to get the af1 body. It's not as great as you think, as you even admitted, high eva mobs outside abyssea is where af3 is good. Abyssea is just one part of 11.