Spiritreaver Blizz V Build

[esoR]

in abyssea i haven't figured out a proper atma setup where thunder V consistently deals more damage than blizzard, unless you did minikin/ultimate/hell's i guess, then they'd be more equal. lion/blinding horn don't really compare to beyond, so i guess gearing for bliz is just simpler. that or OP didn't know pup got thunder V.

[Zhronne]

in abyssea i haven't figured out a proper atma setup where thunder V consistently deals more damage than blizzard, unless you did minikin/ultimate/hell's i guess, then they'd be more equal.

Didn't do the math, but I doubt they'd be equal.
I have no trouble believing Blizzard V would be better.
Problem here is rather that, like someone else said already, your automaton will prioritize Thunder V over Blizzard V, so it doesn't make much sense to focus on the latter one.
It made a lot of sense when the level cap was 90 I guess.

[Theytak]

Ehr no?
You're forgetting Atma of the Hell's Guardian.

Unless I'm missing something here...
(which is likely, considering I normally suck! )


Also, the augmented earring come from ACP last fight? I thought they came from the Fey'yin BC.

Given that Hell's Guardian is obtained by beating Pandemonium Warden, most people ignore its existance.

Why bother with a blizz 5 build when your auto with cast thunder 5 first now?

because with atmaof the beyond, blizz 5 will out do thunder 5, and the automaton only prioritizes the spell that will deal the most damage.

[Gael]

and the automaton only prioritizes the spell that will deal the most damage.

The atmas dont affect the choice. If you have the skill for thunder 5 and if the mob doesnt resist to thunder spell, your automaton will cast thunder 5 even with beyond.

[Theytak]

The atmas dont affect the choice. If you have the skill for thunder 5 and if the mob doesnt resist to thunder spell, your automaton will cast thunder 5 even with beyond.

that is bizarre

[Zhronne]

It's not bizarre at all, it's bizarre to think it would be any other way. Altough I agree that things *SHOULD* have been the way you said Theytak, but alas they're not.

The AI doesn't consider Atmas, Atmacites or other temp bonuses when it "decides" which spell would be better. TBH I think it makes no calculation/math at all, it just takes the latest spell learned and, as long as the enemy doesn't have a resistance to that element, he will keep prioritizing that.

It also has to be noted that some mobs probably have resistance "coded" in a different way, since the AI doesn't "feel" it, just like it doesn't feel mobs that change resistances or gain immunity mid-fight, at least those I've been able to test PUP on.
Dunno if things will change after the current patch will hit live servers, but I doubt it will.

[Dfoley]

That was exactly my point:-)

You can gear for bliz 5 all you want but you will see:

Thunder 5
Blizz 5
Aspir I
Thunder 5
Apsir II
Aspir I
Thunder 5


If the atma forced it to use blizzard 5, sure, but the only time that happens is when i fight a mob immune to the top tier spell (aka ice immune mobs, it uses fire 5).

[Annahya]

For 3rd atma, Baying Moon or MM are pretty close. MM has nearly as good MAB (INT+50 = MAB+25) as Baying Moon (MAB+30), and the refresh and enmity- don't hurt particularly if you keep the puppet out for a couple nukes.

Forgive me if I am wrong, but I was to understand that MAB is a separate trait that is not modified by stats beyond "Magic Attack Bonus." Granted, +INT will help in the calculation of dINT, but I don't think it impacts MAB in any way.

Wiki Article on MAB
Wiki Article on INT
Wiki Article on Calculating Magic Damage

If I am incorrect, I apologize - but I think MAB is kind of "it's own thing" - I am not stating that +INT is not beneficial, just that I don't think MM's +50 INT adds any actual MAB.

[esoR]

Mab is related to int as attack is related to str, i believe - in most cases.

[Zhronne]

I don't know if it's different for pets (but why should it?), but as long as I know Annahya is correct.
People usually say 2INT = 1mab as a quick example, to simplify things, because in a wide range of situations the final damage of your spells will be increase by the same amount by 2int as it would by 1mab.
I don't think Anza meant to say that 50 int REALLY give 25mab, it was just a quick example/comparison.

A lot of times 2int roughly corresponds to 1mab, but of course this is very unaccurate and it depends a lot on your gear and your target. Sometimes on the spell too (there are spells who receive higher benefit from INT than mab, for example helixes and Kaustra)