Add New Jobs to Relic Weapons - Past Due for an Explanation

[Briarb19]

IF SE ends up increasing the relics power at 99 as much as they have hinted at you can bet that the 99 stage will be "collect an impossible number of some item" In fact I kind of hope that it is.

It's complete speculation to assume the 99 Mandau will give THF an edge over DNC that Twashtar can't. You have no clue how the 99 Mandau will compare to the 99 Twashtar. Besides, who is to say the 99 Empys won't get a boost of some sort too to keep those weapons on par with relic? Should DNC be 'taken off' Twashtar in that case? Of course not.

I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and say the 99 Mandau WILL give THF the substantial edge on DNC you seem to feel it so rightly deserves and that adding DNC to it would eliminate that. So what? There's four other jobs in the mix here that you are not factoring in to your very polarized opinion. Why should they be left off relics because SE hasn't "kept THF and DNC in balance"?

The fact is, right now, Mandau is no different then Twashtar and adding DNC to it would have no effect on job balance. Your only reasoning for not wanting DNC on it is simply because you're frustrated at the way SE has been handling the job balance in general between DNC and THF, which while maybe justified, is an entirely different argument and belongs in another thread, so in all due respect, please kindly take it there. Thank you.

[FrankReynolds]

This is just silly. THF is not the only job on mandau. Thief needs work, but it has nothing to do with dancer being better. Please don't ever bring that useless POS Ternary up.

I agree, dancer should be on mandau. It has always bothered me that dancer didn't have a relic.

[Neisan_Quetz]

SE's form of irony: Make Dnc useful at farming relic, but be unable to use one itself.

[Aarahs]

Please stop talking as though dancer could only wield twashtar or mandau if they were added to it. If dnc was added, why would they not wield both at once? They do have dual wield.

[Rohypnol]

Please stop talking as though dancer could only wield twashtar or mandau if they were added to it. If dnc was added, why would they not wield both at once? They do have dual wield.

Only thing you'd get for off-handing Twashtar would be the stat boost. No weapon skill or aftermath.

[Asymptotic]

SE has given DNC too much of THF's stuff already. No more please.

Please cry more. Your tears are delicious.

Just another QQ thread about how this or that relic the player already owns isn't useable on some other job they leveled.

Actually, I have an Empyrean. Mythic is broken at this point and will be for at least another 6 months. I would like DNC to be added to Twashtar, BLU to Excalibur etc. so I have motivation to participate in content in which I've never really had the chance to participate because none of my jobs have been "Relic" jobs.

Some relics's weapon categories aren't strictly compatible with the category a job uses.

BLU can already equip several longswords including Almace, Mandau is actually just a reskin of the Parrying Knife, which DNC can wield, . Sch can't normally equip hammers and PUP can't normally equip Cesti; but, they can equip Molva Maul and Heofon Knuckles respectively, so that kind of invalidates this argument.

TLDR: I have not actually heard any logical reason why the new jobs need to be included at this point. Who honestly cares? In basically every case of a relic that's not available on a new job, the empyrean is better anyway.

Expansion of old content to new people who otherwise might not bother, giving them something else to do in this game with limited relevant content, thus continuing to get their $12.95 month after month. That, and it would require virtually no development time. Obviously, a lot of people care or this topic wouldn't continue to come up. And Empyreans being a "better choice" is completely irrelevant. Since when has SE released only "better" gear with updates?

It is extremely rare for jobs to be added to gear after the fact. Each time new jobs came out, they were only added to existing gear in accordance with the category of armor they would typically wear. Anything that broke with that tradition was generally added after the job came out with that job already on it. There is minimal precendent, if any, of jobs being added to any gear after the release of the job.

My dad Q. And his dad Q. And his dad Q. And I'll be darned if my son R! Therefore Q.

They raised level caps. They turned Dynamis into low-man daily-entry content. They gave DNC/BLU/THF native dual wield. Sorry, but appeal to tradition just isn't going to work here.

Out of new jobs, my main is PUP. I don't even want spharai on it. Empy would be better, and I don't even want the weapon skill either. Final Heaven or Victory Smite? VS walks all over FH. Why bother adding the jobs when the relic isn't even better than the other strong options? You basically covered all that for me

"This change that a lot of others seem to want isn't something that interests me, and even though it would have absolutely no negative impact on my enjoyment of the game either, I don't want it to happen because really, this game is all about me."

There's no reason to have them for the jobs that can't other than "completionists" sake. But how is it even being "completionist" if those weapons aren't applicable to the job anyway?

I feel like "completionist" is a personality type that is pretty common in MMO players. Anyway, to reiterate, it's mostly to expand content to additional people. You don't have to participate in it, but it's absolutely blind to argue that it wouldn't have a positive impact on SE getting peoples' $12.95 while having no negative impact on the game.

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[Asymptotic]

I agree, dancer should be on mandau. It has always bothered me that dancer didn't have a relic.

Especially considering the whole Great War story behind the Relic weapons. DNC and SCH had pretty huge roles in all that. They really should have been retro-added as soon as WotG came out. it's more of a gaping story hole that these two jobs specifically are NOT on them.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I agree on SCH and DNC, the rest should NOT be added on Relics.

[cidbahamut]

I agree on SCH and DNC, the rest should NOT be added on Relics.

Why not?

Corsairs shoot things with guns and there is a gun relic.
Puppetmasters punch things and there is a punching relic.
Blue Mages stab things with swords and there is a sword relic.

Seems like a pretty obvious course of action.

[Alhanelem]

Sorry, but appeal to tradition just isn't going to work here.

Lookie here, we just invented a new logical fallacy!

If there is no precedent for something, it reasonable to assume based upon that things that may or may not happen in the future. That doesn't guarantee you're going to be right, but past action is often indicative of future action.

but it's absolutely blind to argue that it wouldn't have a positive impact on SE getting peoples' $12.95 while having no negative impact on the game.

The number of $12.95s affected by this is probably so small I could count it on my fingers and toes. It would seem pretty fickle to me to quit or not quit based on whether or not DNC gets added to the relic dagger (or insert any other job/relic) and that person was likely ready to quit already.