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[Taint2]

Bubu is the best zone but also the most played. The uragnite camp is undoable, the crawler camp is to small for a single group. Therefore the bird camp is sytematically saturated. The mandy+ rabbit camp is nearly always spammed too. The dhalmel camp is free half of the time only and the eft is free nearly 100% of the time. As soon as another soloer or group is at mandy or dhalmels it's ruined. I didn't try valkurm but the mobs are basically all of "aoe something that sucks" - type. Qufim ? Well no idea. For me no big change it just mean that I'm switching to a tough camp if it's taken from now on. I'll need accuracy for birds though which sucks.

We do Birds > Elfs > Crabs. Only comp is at Birds but never enough to keep us from having atleast 1 mob to kill at all times. EP crabs die fast too so thats not an issue.

If you aren't getting atleast 250 coins as a duo its your fault not the design of the system.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

100-200k now.

[Monchat]

I really wouldnt be buying Pchan's garbage at straight word of mouth. He demanded proof that 2 dnc's and a thf/dnc could farm 300+ coins in bubu asking for logs etc etc, and yet he doesnt provide any mathematical statements, logs, etc. (anything he'd ask for to be convinced). He just throws a blanket statement out there that its crap. It's completely random true but since the october 4th update we've seen 6 white procs, a run with 2, a run with 1, and a run with 3. Not saying we haven't gotten lucky but DNC no sub DNC no sub THF/DNC and if you're geared decently to DD on your thf (Which I realize thf isnt a dd but it kills fast enough on EP mobs if you're popping SA everytime you can especially when trying to take proc'd mobs off your DNC's who have proc'd so they can go pull a new mob) and the dnc's start to help kill when you have 5-6+ proc'd mobs at camp. You can easily farm 300 coins a run. The white proc is just icing on the cake. This is not the strategy for people who need to dual box and tri box and dont have friends willing to help you work toward your goal. This does require 3 people who are able to fully play their characters and work together (communicating constantly). It's a fun way to spend 2hrs. Thf doesn't try to help proc unless you're within a 20-10 vana minutes of time change. Birds > Mandies/Bunnies > Crabs/Scorps procing with JA's. It does well enough. Seriously try it once it's better than cities and it gives you a chance at white proc.

The problem right now in buburimu is BST soloer. Way yoo many of them, and camps drying out of mobs. You probably do not have that many CC. Also accounting for whiteproc is lol. I could also account for hundreds drops from Nms in city once every 5 runs, and claim I do 400 in city when in fact I do less than 300.

By the way, 300 coins trio is totally not impressing. I am sure a solo, being BST/DNC or DNC/??? can pull more than 100 coins lol so 300 3-man with 3 real player is not very good. Not to mention 3 DD will dry out the camp very fast. Pchan does 400 in perfect conditions ( 1st extension found asap, no CC) with 2 real players and 4 alts ( 12 JA in the first 30s). Since alts are only used for provoke, thats what a trio of /dnc could do if they were fighting the same mob.

Right now moving to the "VT" mob camps sounds the best option. No CC over there, they are more annoying ( birds had retarded evasion as level 75 back in the day), but proc just as fast and are never camped.

[MarkovChain]

We do Birds > Elfs > Crabs. Only comp is at Birds but never enough to keep us from having atleast 1 mob to kill at all times. EP crabs die fast too so thats not an issue.

If you aren't getting atleast 250 coins as a duo its your fault not the design of the system.

Ah so you are basically saying that you are using the same camp as 95% of the people entering the zone, yet don't have CC anywhere ? Each camp you mentionned can only support one single DD (or is a long pull) except maybe the bird one where 1DD plus a bst can cohabitate. Since everyone does JA mobs at all times, you necessarily have CC at all camps unless there are only 2 groups in the zone. On Quetzalcoatl, qufim, bubu, and valkurm have 7+ people inside at all time, which is 3+ group, and it can only get worse. So enjoy your 250 coins soon you will have 7 bst instead of 3 duo. Good for them. If it means I have to move to "harder" camp to make cash, I will. As I said as long as I'm doing more than 250c/run it's better than cities.

By the way, 300 coins trio is totally not impressing. I am sure a solo, being BST/DNC or DNC/??? can pull more than 100 coins lol so 300 3-man with 3 real player is not very good.

I already told him but after being butthurt about being unable to prove his duos get 300/run minimum, and doing pseudo elitists statements, some of them referring to BG "strategies" that apparently I'm not aware of, he mentionned white procs as an argument and then real life friends when he saw he was facing a wall.

I'm happy for bst finally a way for them to do a form of endgame. They just have to fix PUP, COR and DNC now because last I check they don't have relics.

[Byrth]

Yeah, I really think SE screwed the pooch by nerfing WS/magic AoE procs to nothing. Reduce the rate? Okay. Make the rate effectively 0? You done screwed up. Now competition is much worse because everyone has to use the same strategy.

4PM EST yesterday, there were 9 people in Dynamis - Qufim and 6 of them kept showing up at all the same camps as me.

[Staren]

Monchat

First and foremost your own PChan said that BSTs cant get 300 coins duo in this post
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post211691
Idk why he contradicted himself but there you have it.

Secondly, I always count my singles and white proc coins separately because white proc is luck based. Last night we made 365 coins and 1 white proc so 465 total. The white proc doesnt change the fact we make well over 300 trio without it. We also got all the timers down in 8 mins where PChan said that was impossible to do in less than 20 mins.

Thirdly, its sad you have to pay 30 dollars a month each extra to make 30-60 coins more than us without white proc. With white proc you're making 20-60 coins less than us so I'd guess on average by the end of the month if we want to be generous and say you do make more than us you're maybe a couple hundred more a month than us which at that point you paid more for gil than you would have had to pay RMT which is all sorts of sad.

Fourthly, wars can do 2 ja's a minute whereas dancer can do 6-7. So It'd take all of your mules to do a little over half of what our two dancers can do, even one player actually playing sub dancer could do 1-2 less procs than all of your mules put together.

Pchan

Butthurt is asking for logs and when the person's not afraid to share the claiming they could be modified. You ask for proof and then get scared when I offer it what else am I to do. Should I screenshot the entire run's drops for you? Then you'll claimed it was shopped. Should I broadcast the video of the run for you? Then you'll claim I'm hacking. Its easy to sit from your corner and claim I'm lying. Its funny how you make a comment about how I couldnt prove my group could do 300+ coins a run like its hard enough to require proof and then talk to your lackey you've convinced to pay 30 dollars a month for minimal returns like its not one. You have a really bad time with double talk. I've grown up in XI listening to you talk all these garbage strats and seeing you argue against the so called "elitist" players of BG who were actually correct. So I've grown to expect this.

I'm not an elitist, I'm just finally far along enough in this game to be able to disprove your rantings, and just like all the people who argued against you before hand I'm doing others a favor and telling them not to listen to you. You're sitting in the corner, now that I've pointed out all your double talk and your butthurtness over the fact you have to have 6 characters to do marginally better than us on a bad night with our "fail" jobs, playing the poor poor pitiful me card the big bad man told me I'm avoiding playing with real people and paying 60 dollars extra a month for minimal returns. I do have friends and I find it sad as I said before you have to pay so much for so little returns just to avoid making another friend and playing your jobs to the fullest instead of running mules around.

I'm not facing any wall really you can believe or not believe, we're making really good money and we're seeing white procs alot more than not. We proc 100+ mobs a run and on average (I say average as we dont see white every run but some runs we see white 2-3 times) we're averaging one white proc a run. Which would make sense with the odds of a 1% proc rate.

TLDR;
PChan's still Pchan
Monchat is Pchan's lackey
Together they pay 60 dollars a month extra to make under perfect conditions as per Monchat an extra 30-60 coins more than my three man makes on an average run for singles (not counting white proc). You can decide for yourself which strategy you want to do.

[Monchat]

Fourthly, wars can do 2 ja's a minute whereas dancer can do 6-7.

So what? You say you do 6 JA per minute as dancer, ok assume its true. My group does 18 vokes in 1 minute, so like I said, you proc as fast as me of you are three. We do 350-400 if no competition, so you you cannot do 300 duo. QED.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Just saw a JP selling 2 for 80k ea.

[Staren]

So what? You say you do 6 JA per minute as dancer, ok assume its true. My group does 18 vokes in 1 minute, so like I said, you proc as fast as me of you are three. We do 350-400 if no competition, so you you cannot do 300 duo. QED.

Sadly if we're going with the logic of counting an initial voke for one single minute's time seeing as every other minute you'd only be able to do two, then I can redo my math as well and put 1 dancer at procing 11 times a minute. So our two dancers can proc 4 more times a minute than your entire group of 6 characters. Also even if I paid subscription costs for our entire 3 man group. We still make the same amount of coins as you or more normally for half the cost in dollars our average at the moment is 425 coins per run. So you can take your cute QED and shove it where the sun dont shine. If I made 3 more accounts and leveled them to do dyna seperately we would make double your coin amount at the same cost as you. There's a QED for you.

Glad that's the only part you are actually able to counter though.

Also as a side note its sad if you got noodles' post removed because it was straight calling you out on the truth. That you are posting and responding to yourself with your own accounts.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Pchan and Mdkuser aren't the same person, they just do a lot of stuff in game together.