Current Empy 95 Price

[Insaniac]

DE is consistently higher for me outside of abyssea unstacked. I only use Evisceration when my MS aftermath is up just because. AnywHay... The comment about 18 people teaming up to all get 95s pretty much melted my brain. Even if it only took 2 months (will be more like 4-6) per weapon we're still talking about 3 years (more like 6-9 years).

[MarkovChain]

If the 95% cells in the spreadsheet is infact making it calulate evis with a 95% crit hit rate, and if I change them down to 10%, then the opposite happens and with both my gear, and with perfect gear, DE shits all over Evis.

It's at least 10% from base+merit, plus 8% crit damage bonus. Add to this dDEX which is 0-15%. Add to this a possible 10% natural on eviscearation, let's say 10%. It means that you always have >= 20% crit rate with 8% boost, and 35%+ if you cap ddex which is likely on trash.

If you are kiling trash mobs, high pdif, cap fstr, cap ddex (total crit 49% with your gear) etc, crit will do ~+45% damage more than non crit so evsiceration should give

(5.0+2.0*(1+2*0.10+(1-0.10)*0.11))*(49+13+0.85*0.30*158 )*((1-0.49)+0.49*1.08*1.45)=970 times average non crit pdif

DE will give (90 chr)

( 5.0+2.1875*(1+2*0.10+(1-0.10)*0.11) )*(49+13+0.85*(0.40*158+90*0.30))=1087*non crit pdif avg

[noodles355]

10% base+merits, 5% rancor, 4% af3+2 legs, 10% evis boost. WS set sits at 150ish dex which will be capping ddex on most stuff, for around 45%ish crit rate. With that and what I'm aiming for short-term, it's looking like Evis wins by 984.577 to 919.760 on fodder mobs. Interesting. DE always seemed to average higher but I guess I was just lucky/imaginging it. I think I'll parse it next time I'm TotM/Dyna/Whatevering out of interest, to see if results match what should be happening according to xls.

For near-perfect gear it's looking like Evis: 1405.213 vs DE's 1324.279

[Byrth]

It's 11% Crit Attack Bonus for a 95 THF now, too.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Going by Sawtelle's post on Ukko thread on FFXIAH 176 dex wasn't enough to make a large impact on dDEX on T2 VW mobs, although saevel has stated their stats appear to be unusual.

[MarkovChain]

VW mobs don't follow normal pattern neither offensively nor defensively nor evasion wise (exemple would be the slime NM basicaly ignoring your def or ignoring formless strike for instance). Also I doubt you'd want a thf ever TP feeding those mobs ... The only place a THF should be nowadays is in dynamis to farm coins. Mobs are still EP+ so usual melee gear is still useful, excluding acc obviously. Mercy stroke is probably still the best ws anyway.

[Monchat]

10% base+merits, 5% rancor, 4% af3+2 legs, 10% evis boost. WS set sits at 150ish dex which will be capping ddex on most stuff, for around 45%ish crit rate. With that and what I'm aiming for short-term, it's looking like Evis wins by 984.577 to 919.760 on fodder mobs. Interesting. DE always seemed to average higher but I guess I was just lucky/imaginging it. I think I'll parse it next time I'm TotM/Dyna/Whatevering out of interest, to see if results match what should be happening according to xls.

For near-perfect gear it's looking like Evis: 1405.213 vs DE's 1324.279

I've input your gear values in my spreadsheats and I have evisceration = dancing edge before attack considerations. Basically both your gear sets have the same STR DEX, what your evisceration set has is +9% critical, traits +8% crit dmg, while your dacing edge has +30 attack and +1% double attack and ~+20 DMG from lolCHR. before attack I have 1 main hit of DE= one main hit of EVI. However +30 attacks is at least +7% damage is you go by the 4 attack=1% rule. If you have a higher attack and use 6 attack=1% it is still +5%. Now I dont know if you gear sets are optimal, but I noticed a ~15 acc difference in both which is strange.

If its +11% crit dmg like byrth said then it would be still inferior. However if the native crit rate of evisc is 20% ( 29% with gear) which I doubt, it would be superior. From playing with number, EVI should be superior to DE if you can reach a crit hit rate if >25% ish. It is not as easy as people think to get a high dDEX on anything that matters ( VT + mob) outside abyssea.

[Motenten]

Going over my spreadsheets for errors..

The 95% number was the crit rate cap, not the value being used. It was to prevent spurious numbers, but should probably be updated to 100% cap now.

>> Changed to 100% cap.

Evisceration is given a base bonus crit rate of 10%, and is assumed to scale at 10% per 100 TP. I don't have any data on its scaling, but recently read of another weaponskill that may scale at 5% per 100 TP. Might need to drop the scaling down.

>> Added a field at the top of the Evis page to manually specify the scaling rate. Using 5% for now to be conservative.

Nominal crit rate in gear on a weaker mob is 34% -- 50 dDex giving 20%, 5% merits, 5% Rancor Collar, 4% AF3+2 legs. Add 10% base for Evis and it has a 44% crit rate.

If using TP Bonus Fusetto and Moonshade earring (and including over-TP rounds), that could be up to +150 TP over baseline. If it scales at 10% per 100 TP that's +15% crit rate; if it scales at 5% per 100 TP that's +7.5% crit rate. Total if using that gear would be 51.5% to 59% crit rate.

Continuing without the TP bonus gear, it looks like maybe a 45% crit rate, depending on over-TP and crit rate scaling.

Critical attack bonus for thf is 11% base for 91+. Add 5% for Loki's and it's +16% crit damage.

>> Updated cap to level 95; adjusted skill and crit damage bonus. Player stats not updated.

@Noodles -- I'm not sure how you're getting 136% crit damage outside Abyssea (or even inside Abyssea for that matter, since it should start at 138% using the lvl 90 spreadsheet and RR atma).


Error: All DE calculations used the +fTP (gorget or elemental belt) of the first normal weaponskill set. Fixed.

Made some gear adjustments in the comparison, as it had mostly been optimized for comparing Evis in Abyssea. Against the fodder lvl 97 mobs at thf level 95, Evis is at 1444 and DE is at 1460. Oh, and that's with Twashtar pushing dDex up to cap. Using, say, Fire Kila +2 & Triplus it drops crit rate by 5%, and averages are Evis 1352, DE 1395.

Change target to Bhukis and it's Evis 858, DE 881. Revert scaling to 10% per 100 TP and Evis goes up to 863, though that would be more significant if using the TP Bonus dagger/earring.


Overall it looks like DE should be just slightly ahead of Evis.

Updated version of the spreadsheet was uploaded to Google Docs.

[noodles355]

That's a lot of great info there, and thanks a lot for the update. I'm not sure where 136% was coming from either, but on later number plugging it was at 113% which makes more sense (8% trait 5% loki). Goona go play with updated spreadsheet~

[Rearden]

I'm not clear on what you're implying, but it seems to be you are saying that a 150TP Evis would be 15% instead of 10%, halfway to 20%@200TP

I'm pretty sure pre-emp crit WS do not scale aside from 100/200/300 but I could be mistaken if someone has info otherwise