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    Player CrAZYVIC's Avatar
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    Guessing the way of think Mr tanaka

    I will give my opinion in a respecfull way for Mr Tanaka. So the moderadors dont erase my post.

    I think the way of think mr tanaka is this:

    He think the JP comunity love the challenges and love play in big groups. We can see the JP comunity still running big LS with 30 - 40 people like before. They do everything with massive number of people.

    Maybe Tanaka is thinking more in the Japanase comunity because they are who keep this game alive. Without the Jp comunity probably FFXI was death like 3 years ago.

    The problem is FFXI start Feel like before. "A lot of grind and several hours for get the gear needed for a very small feeling progress".

    In abyssea we all experiment the "God mode". Now with VW. We are experiment the old school ffxi, even if i like both feelings. Im think the abyssea route was the best for the game. A lot of short LS, short groups was the way to go in this last months

    I hope Tanaka. Reconsider this choice and he let us have FFXI in a casual way. In this moment with a lot of new MMRPG are coming if they dont keep the comunity happy probably they will lose a lot of people in the next year.

    When i finish my Masamune. I dont will bother with this 1500 things really. With my limited time for play 1500 runs assuming i can get 1 plate per run. This will take massive time. (The only way for i try go for this is if get a Pouch 12 plates per run and burning my 250+ stones. without this Never i will even try this)
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    412 currency with 1 white proc . . . I pulled in 236 a few days ago without a white proc (but also without a sub). So you're adding more mouths to feed and picking up 80 currency per run. It would be better for you as a group if you split up and did the zones separately.

    I am on the edge of giving up on white procs. I can pull in decent currency without a sub because I'm Dancer, but /WAR offers Provoke (a 30 second JA that can't miss and can be used to pull) and Berserk. I bet it would add an average of ~30 currency per run, and I've had literally hundreds of procs and only one white... I guess I can keep trying, but regular >2k Dancing Edges in Qufim last night was pretty fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    412 currency with 1 white proc . . . I pulled in 236 a few days ago without a white proc (but also without a sub). So you're adding more mouths to feed and picking up 80 currency per run. It would be better for you as a group if you split up and did the zones separately.

    I am on the edge of giving up on white procs. I can pull in decent currency without a sub because I'm Dancer, but /WAR offers Provoke (a 30 second JA that can't miss and can be used to pull) and Berserk. I bet it would add an average of ~30 currency per run, and I've had literally hundreds of procs and only one white... I guess I can keep trying, but regular >2k Dancing Edges in Qufim last night was pretty fun.
    Like I said different playstyles Byrth. The group is feeding one mouth currently and we enjoy playing together. We'd each have to pay 15 dollars more a month and level a whole new character or buy one to do what you're doing. Otherwise yeah we could split up and make 750 ish dual boxing like you are. I just dont feel the need when I enjoy playing with my friends and I don't enjoy dual boxing. But I will bend and say if you've got a group of three people with 2 accounts and who dual box regularly splitting up the three zones would be more efficient.

    I do this with my girlfriend and our friend to work on her mythic and then relics for him and I once the mythic is finished. Don't really -need- a whole lot from the game at this point since I can do VWNMs efficiently with what I have at this point we're just working on finishing the stuff we've always wanted to get for fun and to have it more than anything else. Pretty much all that's left to do after abyssea.
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  4. #314
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post

    I am on the edge of giving up on white procs..
    I will test soon white procs with 6 char, 3 being war nothing, we'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    JP reports say that the Almace hasn't changed in any hidden way. It's just base damage + Stat. I'm hoping that drops the prices.
    Well that's disappointing I guess I'll just stock up on gil to buy plates once the 99 upgrade is found and tested... Oh well.
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    Tested white procs and it's fail. Well at least it "doesn't hurt" our 6-man way. However it's not as fail as the BSTs completely ruining cop dynamis. It lasted 3 weeks, not bad. All the easy prey camps are know ruined by BTS solos or duo. Bascially during 2/3 of the run we have 2 other groups cc ing us, still managed to get 250 coins, which is just slightly worse than cities. 3 procers /war, 3 procer war, zero white proc. Forget it for duo or trio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    I am on the edge of giving up on white procs.

    Lol I only did one run with no sj, of course no white!! It's an illusion to make good money for people who like big currency but in the long run its not worth it. It's like pulling the Nms in city. They take longer and you have to do sac pulls or move, or clear their helper , which costs time etc, and the 1/30 drop rate sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkovChain View Post
    Tested white procs and it's fail. Well at least it "doesn't hurt" our 6-man way. However it's not as fail as the BSTs completely ruining cop dynamis. It lasted 3 weeks, not bad. All the easy prey camps are know ruined by BTS solos or duo. Bascially during 2/3 of the run we have 2 other groups cc ing us, still managed to get 250 coins, which is just slightly worse than cities. 3 procers /war, 3 procer war, zero white proc. Forget it for duo or trio.

    Don't have BST problems on Cerb, but DNC or /DNC is better overall for procing. Also which zone did you do? Bubu seems to be the best for coins with 3 EP camps not far from each other. White proc is garbage which is unfortunate, if its 1% I'd be shocked.
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    Bubu is the best zone but also the most played. The uragnite camp is undoable, the crawler camp is to small for a single group. Therefore the bird camp is sytematically saturated. The mandy+ rabbit camp is nearly always spammed too. The dhalmel camp is free half of the time only and the eft is free nearly 100% of the time. As soon as another soloer or group is at mandy or dhalmels it's ruined. I didn't try valkurm but the mobs are basically all of "aoe something that sucks" - type. Qufim ? Well no idea. For me no big change it just mean that I'm switching to a tough camp if it's taken from now on. I'll need accuracy for birds though which sucks.
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    Last edited by MarkovChain; 10-13-2011 at 07:23 AM.

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    I really wouldnt be buying Pchan's garbage at straight word of mouth. He demanded proof that 2 dnc's and a thf/dnc could farm 300+ coins in bubu asking for logs etc etc, and yet he doesnt provide any mathematical statements, logs, etc. (anything he'd ask for to be convinced). He just throws a blanket statement out there that its crap. It's completely random true but since the october 4th update we've seen 6 white procs, a run with 2, a run with 1, and a run with 3. Not saying we haven't gotten lucky but DNC no sub DNC no sub THF/DNC and if you're geared decently to DD on your thf (Which I realize thf isnt a dd but it kills fast enough on EP mobs if you're popping SA everytime you can especially when trying to take proc'd mobs off your DNC's who have proc'd so they can go pull a new mob) and the dnc's start to help kill when you have 5-6+ proc'd mobs at camp. You can easily farm 300 coins a run. The white proc is just icing on the cake. This is not the strategy for people who need to dual box and tri box and dont have friends willing to help you work toward your goal. This does require 3 people who are able to fully play their characters and work together (communicating constantly). It's a fun way to spend 2hrs. Thf doesn't try to help proc unless you're within a 20-10 vana minutes of time change. Birds > Mandies/Bunnies > Crabs/Scorps procing with JA's. It does well enough. Seriously try it once it's better than cities and it gives you a chance at white proc.
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