Inconsiderate!

[Kensagaku]

I would rather the group kill it. The mob could regen and then it'd just be a back-and-forth when the soloist dies again, or it could depop and potential items could be wasted. And while we're on the topic of selfishness, didn't you hear your own point earlier? "I'd rather a mob depop than another group get it, because it and the items it drops are mine." My hypocrisy senses are tingling.

[katz]

I would rather the group kill it. The mob could regen and then it'd just be a back-and-forth when the soloist dies again, or it could depop and potential items could be wasted. And while we're on the topic of selfishness, didn't you hear your own point earlier? "I'd rather a mob depop than another group get it, because it and the items it drops are mine." My hypocrisy senses are tingling.

And I still stand by it was my hard work that got it to 1% and my hard work that got the pops, why shouldnt I try to kill it if I can or depop it if I cant.

[detlef]

And I still stand by it was my hard work that got it to 1% and my hard work that got the pops, why shouldnt I try to kill it if I can or depop it if I cant.

Yikes, this is harsh. I totally disagree with this. You know what happens when a NM is allowed to despawn? All the effort put in to farm the triggers is rendered moot and nobody is any better off. The drops that could have been used to better somebody's character disappear into the void. Collectively, the playerbase is forced to play FFXI a little bit longer to make up for that lost trigger.

Look at it this way. If you are familiar with T3 VNMs in Heroes zones, you might know that they drop Colorless Souls which are very desired because they are used for the second stage of Ochain and Daurdabla. The way VNMs are designed, once hate is cleared (through a wipe or what have you), the NM despawns. The effect is two-fold. First, it presents zombieing, so regardless of whether you have your AoA equipped, the fight is over if you wipe. Secondly, it means that nobody else can grab it if the group dies (barring blockaid or the mob going white).

You know, you talk about your hard work. What about the people who were camping against you along the way? How would you feel if you camped against a group at Chione, got outclaimed, and then watched them wipe to Ogopogo? Isn't that a tremendous waste? If you got outclaimed at Gukumatz and the other group popped and wiped to Sobek and then it despawned, isn't that a waste of everybody's time?

My point? A NM allowed to despawn is time lost for EVERYBODY.

[katz]

Yikes, this is harsh. I totally disagree with this. You know what happens when a NM is allowed to despawn? All the effort put in to farm the triggers is rendered moot and nobody is any better off. The drops that could have been used to better somebody's character disappear into the void. Collectively, the playerbase is forced to play FFXI a little bit longer to make up for that lost trigger.

Look at it this way. If you are familiar with T3 VNMs in Heroes zones, you might know that they drop Colorless Souls which are very desired because they are used for the second stage of Ochain and Daurdabla. The way VNMs are designed, once hate is cleared (through a wipe or what have you), the NM despawns. The effect is two-fold. First, it presents zombieing, so regardless of whether you have your AoA equipped, the fight is over if you wipe. Secondly, it means that nobody else can grab it if the group dies (barring blockaid or the mob going white).

You know, you talk about your hard work. What about the people who were camping against you along the way? How would you feel if you camped against a group at Chione, got outclaimed, and then watched them wipe to Ogopogo? Isn't that a tremendous waste? If you got outclaimed at Gukumatz and the other group popped and wiped to Sobek and then it despawned, isn't that a waste of everybody's time?

My point? A NM allowed to despawn is time lost for EVERYBODY.

Guess you never read that I solo farmed the pops and didnt waste anyone elses time. I go to do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone. Its my time Im spending learning. I dont see it as a waste because I learn more about the mob and what to try next with it. As to the vnm Tier 3 I solo those too, so I dont see why you would think its wasting other peoples time.

[detlef]

Guess you never read that I solo farmed the pops and didnt waste anyone elses time. I go to do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone. Its my time Im spending learning. I dont see it as a waste because I learn more about the mob and what to try next with it. As to the vnm Tier 3 I solo those too, so I dont see why you would think its wasting other peoples time.

If you do stuff solo when there are not many people in the zone, then it sounds like people taking your mobs when you wipe isn't an issue. Thank goodness. I am very relieved to know that your FFXI experience is not negatively impacted by such unscrupulous players. I think it would be best for everybody if you keep playing during off-peak times. Good luck and happy adventuring!