Inconsiderate!

[Yugl]

"If I can't have it, then no one can" is the most unrecognized form of elitism in FFXI.

[Aver]

"If I can't have it, then no one can" is the most unrecognized form of elitism in FFXI.

See: every CFH'd Niddhog from wiping shells running amok.

[katz]

Some people seem to think they have to "share" everything in the game. When you see the original topic of why do people lock down items and shout for other people to help, maybe with everyone here thinking its ok to take someone elses mobs you can now see why people want to lock down items. Its basically get a bigger group together so no one steals the mob from them. Once you have your group it becomes less likely to require skilled players because the larger the group the less likely the mob will be claimed by someone else. Now you see why the shouts lock down items and people become very me me me about property.

[Korpg]

Some people seem to think they have to "share" everything in the game. When you see the original topic of why do people lock down items and shout for other people to help, maybe with everyone here thinking its ok to take someone elses mobs you can now see why people want to lock down items. Its basically get a bigger group together so no one steals the mob from them. Once you have your group it becomes less likely to require skilled players because the larger the group the less likely the mob will be claimed by someone else. Now you see why the shouts lock down items and people become very me me me about property.

It isn't about locking down items, it is about being the most efficient with your time, since time is the one thing in Abyssea you don't have unlimited access to. Sure, you can end your Abyssea run at 900+ minutes, but those minutes will eventually run out. That is why smaller groups outperform larger groups because you can kill the same NMs in the same amount of time, but you can get done quicker with 5-6 people than you would with 18 people.

If you lost, you lost. Why do you care if anyone else takes the mob you lost to and beats it? Point being, you still lost it. You lost the pop set it took to pop it, you lost the opportunity to have the items, you lost the opportunity to have the key items in question. Just learn from your mistakes, try again, or try again with more/better people.

[Greatguardian]

People make large groups because random, crappy players are incapable of doing things in small numbers.

Any skilled duo can claim whatever monster they want without the aid of third party tools, if all they're facing is an army of troglodytes.

[katz]

I play on xbox no chance of 3rd party tools there.... The point was, as I repeat it again, if you pop an nm, and you have put all the hard work into getting the pops either from buying the items or farming the items and you lose thats no big problem. The problem is when you havent lost and are prepared to carry on, why should another party claim the weakened mob. Im not stopping them killing A mob, just not a weakened one popped by someone else outside their group.

[Gokku]

I play on xbox no chance of 3rd party tools there.... The point was, as I repeat it again, if you pop an nm, and you have put all the hard work into getting the pops either from buying the items or farming the items and you lose thats no big problem. The problem is when you havent lost and are prepared to carry on, why should another party claim the weakened mob. Im not stopping them killing A mob, just not a weakened one popped by someone else outside their group.

#1 solution to your problem the little button "CALL FOR HELP" years ago my social ls went to try and kill Cerberus with 6 people since it had been up for 4 hours. The "HNM" ls's showed up stole it from us wiped we stole it back and when we were just about to wipe i had my ls CFH on it why? cuz cerby then proceeded to kill everyone who had try'd to steal it from us and anyone who had cure'd them HNM players raged i laughed.

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[Aver]

I play on xbox no chance of 3rd party tools there.... The point was, as I repeat it again, if you pop an nm, and you have put all the hard work into getting the pops either from buying the items or farming the items and you lose thats no big problem. The problem is when you havent lost and are prepared to carry on, why should another party claim the weakened mob. Im not stopping them killing A mob, just not a weakened one popped by someone else outside their group.

You're wasting everyone's time, including your own, trying to apoc-zombie a mob that I'm sure would love to wipe the floor with you again, and again, and again. Time is not something people like to waste, especially not in abyssea where it is limited.

Take the hint and come back with friends next time. Just because you may think you have the ability to (very slowly) solo a mob down doesn't mean you should. Especially if it's one of those wonderful single-??? lower tier KI NMs. You can be damn sure I'll take that the second it idles.

[Aver]

I believe thats a personal attack. Just because I decide what I do with my time on a game that I chose to pay for doesnt mean you can give advice on what I should do nor does it give you the right to say Im wasting other peoples time. If someone else is on a mob, move on, find something else to do. Time is limitless in abyssea Ive stayed in there for over 3 days only came out because I was leaving the country. All you are proving is, its right to steal so long as its free because you dont have time no wonder society is in the mess its in.

Nah, don't take it personally when I say soloers are slow as balls, because they are when compared to people who go in prepared with a group and with the damage to get things done efficiently. That being said, most of the time my LS sees a soloer strugglin' along we'll offer to proc and help them kill because we want them to LEAVE.

But try again!

It's not about honing your mad skillz yo, it's about you cockblocking an entire LS that has done this many many many many times, is tired of the zone and wants to finish their objective as soon as humanly possible so they can move on.

[Feynman]

I don't know why I'm crazy enough to jump into this but here we go.

To the OP: As long as both parties are able to be productive I don't consider it inconsiderate. I understand where you're coming from though. The whole, wide, empty zone and you camp on top of us? Why? What benefit is there to anyone? But the main thing is just what you mentioned. "We always camp here." Old habits just die hard.

To the discussion that has broken out instead, I include my two cents. If a mob is unclaimed, it's unclaimed. One of the most annoying phrases in the game is of the form "Hey! That's my monster!" Really? If so how did I kill it? Hack the game code so I could attack claimed targets? I think not. But if I'm killing something and you're trying to do trials or something, I'll move elsewhere out of a courtesy. Assuming you approach me with something other than "I hate you" or the other messages I've gotten.

Someone taking a mob you fought against hoping for a drop can burn, but didn't the death itself do that already? I understand Katz's points about stealing. He is taking the ultimate moral high road. Stealing is stealing and it is never justified. But in this case I don't think you can call it stealing. SE set up the rules of the game. They consider this appropriate behavior. SE doesn't consider it stealing, and heck, it's all their property anyway.

However, sitting around watching a party and waiting for a chance to claim the target they are working on is just plain rude. For instance, a party fighting a mob and the whole party gets charmed. You take the mob once it turns. That's pretty crappy. Just because something is allowed, doesn't mean that it agrees with simple basic rules of human interaction. And yes I'm considering online interaction as human interaction. It is still two people regardless of the medium. But some people are just total jerks in real life and online interactions tend to heighten that quality in those people.

Lastly I may not (and often don't) agree with Korpg's point of view, and he is a bit more....abrasive.... than I think is needed, but I think we all need to let up a bit on other people's viewpoints. Seems like most posts degrade into fighting and personal attacks. Let's accept that we all have different opinions and that true discussion requires different opinions! This is a forum. We will not always agree. I personally don't find Korpg's "***" any harder to take than anyone else I don't agree with. (Not trying to pick on Yugl; I'm just taking a common term that they used.) But you know what? He's changed my mind on some things before.