Inconsiderate!

[Zatias]

If you wiped to an NM and an LS takes it, kills it, then pops another and kills it easily... did you still feel bad about doing all the "hard work" for them? It would just be a popset going to waste if they didn't grab it.

Back on topic, thanks everyone for your input. To be clear though, it wasn't about claiming a camp. This isn't oldschool EXP, it's limited where competition can indeed waste people's time... on both sides.

Going through the whole zone and camping on one other party still spells inconsiderate to me.

Also taking the slept BST pet and killing it out of spite so the master can charm the other party is mean. Don't do that.

;P~

[katz]

cant steal in ffxi because you dont even own you character. hence why you can not sell your ffxi account it does not belong to you it belongs to SE.


id love to see you argue that.

Im sure Thf get a steal ability in SE so where do you think you cant steal from.....

[Vold]

Before this is inevitably locked:

stealing is stealing no matter what it is. You steal therefore you are a thf and not worthy of listening to. Just because something is there doesnt make it yours to take from someone else. "I see a car with keys in, I drive it away, Im not stealing it, they were foolish to leave the keys in it." try telling that to a judge.

I wonder if you would hold the same ideals outside of Abyssea. I wonder if you wouldn't take someone else's Nidhogg pop in less than 1.68 seconds after they lolwiped. I wonder if you would let a Kirin depop. Or anything even remotely desirable to kill in this day and age for whatever reason. I'm willing to bet no because it's not as simple as visiting the AH to buy pop items for a NM outside of Abyssea.

Let's be real here. Your group is going to take these pops if people wiped on them. You might be nice enough to offer something out of the kill so long as it's not the drops you're after(and you might even let a Abyssea NM depop to avoid drama because it's really no big loss), but you are never going to stand there and watch a force spawn HNM depop after someone else wiped to it. You know the value of the spawn and you're going to take it long before you watch it despawn with no chance of the other group recovering(nevermind that there are encounters where you can recover just fine while weakened, I have to do it constantly on Suz when it chainspells my ass dead with -ga III instead of using other spells)

My point is, part of the player base seems to have this false belief that Abyssea content is somehow excluded from the normal rules of engagement because they can recover from a wipe, and that's what's going on here with you. I challenge you to admit all of the above. Admit it to earn some respect. If people want to have the viewpoint that you do, that's all fine and dandy(It's even a matter of opinion whether or not it's the right or wrong viewpoint)............






..........as long as they are truthful about how that viewpoint changes the instant they step out of Abyssea.

[Yugl]

"If I can't have it, then no one can" is the most unrecognized form of elitism in FFXI.

[katz]

Before this is inevitably locked:

I wonder if you would hold the same ideals outside of Abyssea. I wonder if you wouldn't take someone else's Nidhogg pop in less than 1.68 seconds after they lolwiped. I wonder if you would let a Kirin depop. Or anything even remotely desirable to kill in this day and age for whatever reason. I'm willing to bet no because it's not as simple as visiting the AH to buy pop items for a NM outside of Abyssea.

Let's be real here. Your group is going to take these pops if people wiped on them. You might be nice enough to offer something out of the kill so long as it's not the drops you're after(and you might even let a Abyssea NM depop to avoid drama because it's really no big loss), but you are never going to stand there and watch a force spawn HNM depop after someone else wiped to it. You know the value of the spawn and you're going to take it long before you watch it despawn with no chance of the other group recovering(nevermind that there are encounters where you can recover just fine while weakened, I have to do it constantly on Suz when it chainspells my ass dead with -ga III instead of using other spells)

My point is, part of the player base seems to have this false belief that Abyssea content is somehow excluded from the normal rules of engagement because they can recover from a wipe, and that's what's going on here with you. I challenge you to admit all of the above. Admit it to earn some respect. If people want to have the viewpoint that you do, that's all fine and dandy(It's even a matter of opinion whether or not it's the right or wrong viewpoint)............






..........as long as they are truthful about how that viewpoint changes the instant they step out of Abyssea.

To cut a long story short, why not let it depop, its not yours. No matter how much something is worth if you steal it, its still stealing.

[Yugl]

To cut a long story short, why not let it depop, its not yours. No matter how much something is worth if you steal it, its still stealing.

Because letting mobs depop damages society?

Edit: Oh look, Korpg is getting firsthand experience at how people feel about him.

[Korpg]

To cut a long story short, why not let it depop, its not yours. No matter how much something is worth if you steal it, its still stealing.

Which is the crux of the whole argument, you do not know the proper definition of ownership.

[katz]

Some people seem to think they have to "share" everything in the game. When you see the original topic of why do people lock down items and shout for other people to help, maybe with everyone here thinking its ok to take someone elses mobs you can now see why people want to lock down items. Its basically get a bigger group together so no one steals the mob from them. Once you have your group it becomes less likely to require skilled players because the larger the group the less likely the mob will be claimed by someone else. Now you see why the shouts lock down items and people become very me me me about property.

[Greatguardian]

People make large groups because random, crappy players are incapable of doing things in small numbers.

Any skilled duo can claim whatever monster they want without the aid of third party tools, if all they're facing is an army of troglodytes.

[Korpg]

Some people seem to think they have to "share" everything in the game. When you see the original topic of why do people lock down items and shout for other people to help, maybe with everyone here thinking its ok to take someone elses mobs you can now see why people want to lock down items. Its basically get a bigger group together so no one steals the mob from them. Once you have your group it becomes less likely to require skilled players because the larger the group the less likely the mob will be claimed by someone else. Now you see why the shouts lock down items and people become very me me me about property.

It isn't about locking down items, it is about being the most efficient with your time, since time is the one thing in Abyssea you don't have unlimited access to. Sure, you can end your Abyssea run at 900+ minutes, but those minutes will eventually run out. That is why smaller groups outperform larger groups because you can kill the same NMs in the same amount of time, but you can get done quicker with 5-6 people than you would with 18 people.

If you lost, you lost. Why do you care if anyone else takes the mob you lost to and beats it? Point being, you still lost it. You lost the pop set it took to pop it, you lost the opportunity to have the items, you lost the opportunity to have the key items in question. Just learn from your mistakes, try again, or try again with more/better people.