Hvergelmir WTF SE

[Korpg]

Though one thing I hope people get out of this discussion is how little we need healing MP kits anymore

Most people already know that. Only Dallas thinks otherwise.

[Dallas]

is this seriously turning into hvergelmir vs nirvana?

nirvana shits all over hvergelmir in every way

Yeah, it's crap all right. That feces in your hand is "-perp" which is exactly what incompetent non-SMN think you need a whole lot of. Keep trying to make your Ukon WAR relevant here, you aren't good enough to call yourself an incompetent SMN yet.

[Korpg]

Most people already know that. Only Dallas thinks otherwise.

Yeah, it's crap all right. That feces in your hand is "-perp" which is exactly what incompetent non-SMN think you need a whole lot of. Keep trying to make your Ukon WAR relevant here, you aren't good enough to call yourself an incompetent SMN yet.

Called it!!

[Rearden]

Only because Kimara complained, so here goes.

Nirvana is a toy, Hvergelmir is a toy. I'll pose the same question I'd pose to any mage that wants to melee things.

In what end game content at 75cap or now at 90cap+ are you actually able to melee the HNM your group is targeting? News at 10: This isn't new information.

Without your aftermath, which can't be maintained in ANY group setting where Nirvana would actually be useful WITH your aftermath the Nirvana barely outperforms a Soulscourge and that's coming from TierII BP's with 1/5 merits vs 5/5. If it doesn't benefit SMN on the hardest of mobs or the gains are moderate at best, then it's really not an argument worth having.

I don't even need to mention Hvergelmir. These are solo toys that you do because you like the job at this point, nothing more. Which is better? Nirvana. Does anyone really care? Not really.

Sadly there's someone I dislike more than Analhelm and Korpg combined in this thread

[Kimara]

<3333 Thank you Rearden

[Korpg]

Only because Kimara complained, so here goes.

Nirvana is a toy, Hvergelmir is a toy. I'll pose the same question I'd pose to any mage that wants to melee things.

In what end game content at 75cap or now at 90cap+ are you actually able to melee the HNM your group is targeting? News at 10: This isn't new information.

Without your aftermath, which can't be maintained in ANY group setting where Nirvana would actually be useful WITH your aftermath the Nirvana barely outperforms a Soulscourge and that's coming from TierII BP's with 1/5 merits vs 5/5. If it doesn't benefit SMN on the hardest of mobs or the gains are moderate at best, then it's really not an argument worth having.

I don't even need to mention Hvergelmir. These are solo toys that you do because you like the job at this point, nothing more. Which is better? Nirvana. Does anyone really care? Not really.

Sadly there's someone I dislike more than Analhelm and Korpg combined in this thread

Only part about this whole post is, you are assuming that a person who wields a Nirvana has to melee.

Sorry to disappoint, but with Nirvana, you don't even have to melee, that is what makes that staff so great. Only way to actually use a Hvergelmir is to whack stuff with it, otherwise it is useless and a waste of an inventory spot.

Nirvana, you don't even need to whack anything for it to outperform any and all other staves for SMN, it is just that good.

[Rearden]

Where are your sources for this?

[Byrth]

Nirvana is a 23 MAB bonus over and INT path Pet MAB staff.

With 5 Pet MAB merits and MAB VI, Pets have 50 MAB base. Easy stuff (E. Pendant, AF3 waist, T. Cape) is another 5 MAB, for 55 base and 67 with the Pet: MAB avatar weapon.

1.9/1.67 = +14% damage on Magical BPs for using Nirvana over the Pet: MAB Magian staff.

So yeah, Nirvana really isn't game breaking. It gets worse the better your augmented Pet: Stat gear is.


Edit: Don't get me wrong, it's the best "pet enhancing" piece of gear by a mile (well, it's barely better than AF3+2 body and only works for half the BPs), but it's just not more amazing than, for instance, 2 Affinity.

[Rearden]

My source is math, parses, and experience.

And Byrth posting it for me

[Korpg]

My source is math, parses, and experience.

And Byrth posting it for me

You are showing sources for an opinion.....you know that, right?