Hvergelmir WTF SE

[Korpg]

There are at least 5 Hver SMN in this thread and I'm pretty sure we haven't said it.

Who are the 5?

I know Al and Tarage, but are you counting yourself 3 times again?

[Dallas]

LOL, genoxd and tannlore and a 6th I challenge you to find. 3 others are almost done. At least 2 more want the weapon.

Korpg, it has been a pleasure viewing a single post to see you still don't read.

[Kimara]

Who are the 5?

I know Al and Tarage, but are you counting yourself 3 times again?

I know I'm working on one ^^. I guess I don't count though since I don't have it yet. Btw sounds like your trying to start a fight again maybe I'm wrong

[Korpg]

I know I'm working on one ^^. I guess I don't count though since I don't have it yet. Btw sounds like your trying to start a fight again maybe I'm wrong

Not starting a fight, was going to lead right to my next point.

Out of all those who have an emp staff, how many of them actually use it, or in other words, use it more frequently than any other emp weapon they might have? I'm sure that most staves were created out of sheer boredom, and is basically a town piece because they have better weapons/jobs to use/come as than a SMN pretending to be a melee. This is, of course, assuming that BLMs and SCHs don't actually nuke with that staff and use the TP gained from nukes now to recover their MP (which is a near impossibility because in order to regain more than half of their MP, they would need 300%). So, that leaves SMN with that staff when SMNs are there for something.

If people choose emp staff as their first choice in emp weapons, and have other jobs (DD mainly), then that is a very poor choice and they should reevaluate both their decision and the decision of the group that helped them get that staff. Because even Masamune is more useful as damage capabilities for any alliance than an Hvergelmir.

[Kimara]

I see... Well the staff for me is just a little side project while I'm working on nirvana, that's what I'm really gonna be using.

[Korpg]

I see... Well the staff for me is just a little side project while I'm working on nirvana, that's what I'm really gonna be using.

Nirvana is well worth it. Not only does it answer the underlying problem associated with melee SMNs (accuracy) it also helps improve damage capabilities of the avatar (MAB for Merited BPs) and the aftermath can be used for both the player and avatar (increased accuracy, increased attack/magic attack, and occasionally attacks twice all in one staff? What is wrong with that picture?)

Nirvana was made for the melee SMN in mind, not Hvergelmir. Hvergelmir is a toy, something to show to everyone how much free time you have, and how much your group really must love you in order to deal with 2 NMs not worth anyone's time. Bonus points for having a level 90 version, because you just wasted somebody's level 90 Kanagi and/or Almace, to become the ultimate troll staff. Hvergelmir was only created because there was a need for an emp staff for completion sake as far as emp weapons go, nothing more.

[Kimara]

I'd hope my husband loves me . Only need two people as I've said before sooo many people complain about wasting ls time when you don't need your ls's help to do it XD just one or two friends.

[Alhanelem]

I'd hope my husband loves me . Only need two people as I've said before sooo many people complain about wasting ls time when you don't need your ls's help to do it XD just one or two friends.

Pretty much this. It's essentially the easiest empyrean weapon to obtain and neither of the NMs for the first two empy stages are very difficult.

[Korpg]

Pretty much this. It's essentially the easiest empyrean weapon to obtain and neither of the NMs for the first two empy stages are very difficult.

While I agree with you that neither of the first 2 NMs are difficult, neither of the first 2 NMs offer any rewards at all.

Sure, Sedna gives out those nice +2 items, but still.

[Alhanelem]

However, I strongly, strongly disagree with your stance of empy being "nothing more than a toy." The one thing nirvana doesn't do is give you unlimited MP, since it's really unlikely that you even need the full amount of perp cost that nirvana gives. Yes, nirvana will give you a better damage output overall, that's for sure. But, you can't Garland every WS because you'll need to use spirit taker, and that means not getting the aftermath all the time; and garland is pretty weak, weaker than Cataclysm even, though the def. down does give it an edge.

In the places where I most use the staff (e.g. abyssea soloing), accuracy is not an issue.