Why do people hate Hvergelmir?

[Yamimarik44]

Why would a "general mass of people" not want to prioritize a staff Empy? Well then here are the obvious reasons for you since you apparently like to ignore them then wonder why there are no reasons left.

1. It is a toy weapon with similar time/gil/effort investment to truly useful weapons.
2. It doesn't help LS runs to anywhere near the extent that a Kannagi, Ukon, or Verethragna do.
3. It doesn't increase the utility or potency of SMN to the extent that any other melee's empy does for that melee job.
4. I'm not even sure it increases the potency of SMN. Isn't SMN's calling card that they're largely out of AoE range and thus hate free, risk free damage?
5. If I haven't even seen an SMN in events for months, guess whether or not their empy is in demand.

If those reasons don't spell a clear picture to why it is a completionist piece and not a necessary piece, you're in denial about how Empys have effected FFXI, and how your LS really functions.

And before you respond AGAIN with "but it's their points, they can burn them how they want," just don't, because you're in denial over how useful a Hv{tab key} is, too. Alssuming that the "certain stage" reference is about taking that empy to 90, it is a complete waste of time as it doesn't improve the weapon's purpose, which is to recover MP through TP. The LS precedent, assuming that there is one about taking weapons to 90, is not that all weapons are taken to 90, but that Empys worth the effort to 85 are up for discussion about 90. If you thought that all weapons are taken to 90 carte blanche, you were wrong, because 90ing an Empy is no minor feat, and the time would be better spent 90ing something else, or starting another Empy.

Staff is not up for discussion because nobody gives a rat's ass about the SMN's staff's base damage or MP boost. I would find it offensive that someone would even deign to request my time on such a useless endeavor. I don't care what they do for me or the LS or anything else, if event time rolls around and it's time to 90 a staff, we had better be scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of things that people want, because that is pretty damn low.

There are only so many hours in a day, and only so many of them do I wish to waste fulfilling some pipedream about melee SMN. I'd do it for a good friend to 85, but s/he better scratch my back right back.

LULZ get over yourself, someone didn't get what they wanted in their LS obviously!!

[Elinae]

he's absolutely right. when you're in a linkshell doing empy's, you can have all the points you want towards whatever weapon you're after. if your empy doesn't speed up future empy farming by any reasonable amount, you're going to be a lower priority than the NIN/MNK/WAR that are after their weapons. heck, my Twashtar is on the backburner in my current LS because i always come BLM, so me having my dagger won't do anything at all for the rest of the group. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one.

[Dragoy]

I'm glad I never ended up into a Linkshell that precedes the needs of the many over the needs of the few, so to speak. I always helped players with everything, and anything, if I could. It's not like it's a new thing, though, and that's likely why I never did 'end-game' much since most of it seemed really unfair.

As I mentioned before, I guess it's about whom these things are really made for.

When I help people, I don't care at all what it is; the goal for me is to make the player happy, which in turn, gives me joy. It is awfully disheartening how things seem to be now, and again, it's nothing new, but I do think it is more 'in the front' since all of this is more accessible than the equivalent(s) was/were before.


I'm not far from going into ramble_mode, so I'll stop it while I can!
As a conclusion: It's just sad.

[Soranika]

I have an LS leader who /tell me on several occasions that he wasn't going to pull the LS to help me get my hvergelmir because it wasn't "useful" to the ls over the last two months, yet mostly through the use of LS and Yamimarikk, I got mine. Why? I'm one of the very few reliable WHM in the LS who turn out to events. Use of the extra body for holding KI and other purposes (like being a dedicated WHM against ones personal choice of job) is fairly more beneficial than an angry WHM who ends up leaving the LS.

In many of these cases, we've helped LS members farm emp weapons for jobs they don't even join the events on so the point is moot.

It shouldn't be about what's useful to the LS to begin with though. It took barely two hours two help a random guy trio dragua for his 90 emp weapon. His goal was 5 scales at least a day. We got him 12. A good pull with just three people if you ask me. LSs for that are about helping each other on a larger scale, especially when many of the key DD already have 85 weapons.

Side note, I've for one found a HUGE use for Hvergelmir in a low man setting helping ls and random members doing things after subbing out MM with Sea Daughter. Regen effect during the day time for avatars? Lovely. Outside abyssea, I'm still trying to find a purpose for it away from solo activities, but might stick with using elemental staves to keep the perp cost away. For SCH... the staff insures you never run out of MP, even with sublimation. Adloquium ftw.

[Kimara]

I have an LS leader who /tell me on several occasions that he wasn't going to pull the LS to help me get my hvergelmir because it wasn't "useful" to the ls over the last two months, yet mostly through the use of LS and Yamimarikk, I got mine. Why? I'm one of the very few reliable WHM in the LS who turn out to events. Use of the extra body for holding KI and other purposes (like being a dedicated WHM against ones personal choice of job) is fairly more beneficial than an angry WHM who ends up leaving the LS.

In many of these cases, we've helped LS members farm emp weapons for jobs they don't even join the events on so the point is moot.

It shouldn't be about what's useful to the LS to begin with though. It took barely two hours two help a random guy trio dragua for his 90 emp weapon. His goal was 5 scales at least a day. We got him 12. A good pull with just three people if you ask me. LSs for that are about helping each other on a larger scale, especially when many of the key DD already have 85 weapons.

Side note, I've for one found a HUGE use for Hvergelmir in a low man setting helping ls and random members doing things after subbing out MM with Sea Daughter. Regen effect during the day time for avatars? Lovely. Outside abyssea, I'm still trying to find a purpose for it away from solo activities, but might stick with using elemental staves to keep the perp cost away. For SCH... the staff insures you never run out of MP, even with sublimation. Adloquium ftw.

Sounds like it's time for a new LS. On a side note though you don't need a whole ls's help to get the staff, or any of the emps for that matter. Most of the mobs you can duo until the level 90 ones, and even some of those are possible to duo.

[Soranika]

Sounds like it's time for a new LS. On a side note though you don't need a whole ls's help to get the staff, or any of the emps for that matter. Most of the mobs you can duo until the level 90 ones, and even some of those are possible to duo.

You're right. I've considered jumping several time, even going to another server since friends quit or went else where but I justified my reason to stay because I got my +2 stuff for 4 jobs fairly quickly (at least I consider it to be) and now it would just be plain inappropriate to now that many of the goals I set when I joined have been met. I dunno...

And you're right. Yet I avoid many pick up/random parties for some very obvious reasons. LSs tend the be the safer, efficient way to get things done if they're well organized instead of dealing with random people or flaky 'friends'. Then again, higher risk of drama and what not in LSs...