Abyssea level cap

[Modoru]

Abyssea didn't create people who don't know how to play their jobs. Those people already existed before abyssea and just stood out more afterward. I'm just sick of people saying "we need a minimum level for abyssea because I met some noob." We don't need a level cap. You have the power to control who you play with. If someone sucks, kick them out, blacklist them, and/or never play with them again.

You know [and this is slightly off-topic, but], I've never kicked out anyone from a party for being bad. Sure, I'm never okay with them, but I just try to make up for it as best as I can with everyone else's performance or jobs. What I have done, however, is gotten someone kicked out for acting like they were the sole reason the party was going, even though they were one person, and everyone else was just "sitting there", even when that person literally left to walk around and not contribute at all for ~30 minutes of the party. [Abyssea - Altepa, btw]

But, we all meet a couple of those kind of people.

[Alhanelem]

Well if you don't want to kick them, that's fine, but don't complain about this problem when you're willing to tolerate it. I'm merely saying people have the power to control their own gameplay experience. if you don't like something, there's usually something you can do about it. We don't need a level limit. If people don't like a certain kind of player, then they shouldn't allow them into the party, and/or a person shouldn't join a party knowing it it will be one they won't like.

If people want to level fast and suck at their job, I say that's their right to do so. I also have the right not to party with them if they don't at least learn afterwards.

[Babekeke]

There are just 3 jobs that really should be levelled normally:
PUP (though you can burn this to 49 and cap it's skill as /PUP - the only job this can be done on)
BLU (you'll probably hit 90 just collecting the spells with all the exp buffs/rings around now)
NIN (can't skill katana or ninjutsu on any other job, and you will really struggle to tank without these capped)

Of course, you CAN run around with these 3 level 90 and gimped too, but it's way more obvious if you're spamming head butt and pollen on blu, or you can't even cast utsu Ni without being interrupted on NIN, then can't hit hard enough to hold hate. Or you pull out your automaton on PUP and it only uses tier 2 magic because skill is gimped.

[FANCY60]

I argued this when abyssea came out. You people are still complaining >:l

no one forced your hand if you dont want to talk about it dont. as for abyssea cap its an opinion people deal with it but in hind sight im loving the views on this really exciting so much rage in discussions though like people are taking it personally its even on hot topics thanks for the replies really have learnt a lot from people that actually made sense and not just posting for the sake thanks wow.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Interruptions on Ni usually (I say this tentatively) aren't due to ninjutsu skill but bad timing. Getting offensive spells to land, you have a case there.

[Richie]

I'm for the minimum level increase being bumped up to 60. If you were crazy it didn't take a week to get 60 even without fields/grounds of valor. Recently, my friends brother joined the game for the first time and was level 33 the next day lol. My other friend got both RNG and SAM to 60 with essentially capped skills outside of abyssea recently and that only took at maximum 3 or 4 days (including both of them.)

I think it would be wroth doing.

[Tamoa]

I'm for the minimum level increase being bumped up to 60. If you were crazy it didn't take a week to get 60 even without fields/grounds of valor. Recently, my friends brother joined the game for the first time and was level 33 the next day lol. My other friend got both RNG and SAM to 60 with essentially capped skills outside of abyssea recently and that only took at maximum 3 or 4 days (including both of them.)

I think it would be wroth doing.

When I first played, in 2004, it took me 5 months to get drk to lvl 52 - that was being a brand new player with everything that entails.

I can assure you, before level sync, FoV and now GoV, leveling those unpopular jobs to 60 took a lot longer than 1 week.

[Mirage]

Regardless of if you agree with the current level requirement of 30 in abyssea or not, I hope you understand that it is now too late to change it. Suddenly requiring people to be level 70+ would put all new players at an unfair disadvantage compared to old players, most of those who are interested in leeching/keying their jobs to 75+ have already done it, so new or returning players would be affected the most. If SE had wanted to change it, it would have happened within a few months of the first abyssea expansion.

Personally I think it's a bit retarded that low levels can reach exp rates higher than that of a post-exp update normal party just by popping chests, but get over it, it's too fucking late now.

Furthermore, I would like to know how healers below level 70 are actually leeching. Considering only whm gets cure 5 and up, it's almost only cure potency gear that makes a rdm90 a better healer than a whm50 in something like a worms party (assuming a couple of refresh atmas). If you're contributing to the fight, it's not really called leeching.

[Rearden]

ITT: People who aren't good at their jobs complain about Abyssea making other people not good at their jobs

[FrankReynolds]

Abysea level cap is 30 because you can do some quests at lvl 30 since it only required that you have sneak and invisible. Also by lowering level cap you can sell the expansion to more people from newbie to veteran players. It is all business decision, get the content available to the majority of your consumers.

As for people who bitched and moaned about how fast we level to 90, please get over it. The game has changed. Now you no longer grind for xp to lvl your jobs. The new grind is on magian weapon trials and gears. To get that moving along you need to be at least level 75 and up. Making people have to grind to lvl their jobs for a year, then do another grinds for weapon and gears are just dumb, not to mention counter intuitive when it comes to marketing.

Your actual training of the jobs now begin at lvl 90, when you start grinding for the seals or atma, or those +2 items and those empyrian weapon. Even with elemental magian weapon, where you can solo kill those 200-300 mobs, giving you time to test different job abilities and reach your comfort levels. The downside of this, you have plenty of people who are new at their jobs trying to join you and farm seals and events - which often results in wiped or disasters because they have no idea how to make macro and what their jobs can do. Since xp loss is no longer and issue, this should matter less other than the inconvenience of having to get new pop items. Perhaps it is time you get to know other people more and start doing things together more as a small group. Isn't that why you play this game?

Its actually to stem off the RMT from leveling mad characters as fast (Although who has seen one lately).