Hvergelmir WTF SE

[Leonlionheart]

See all the butthurt? LLH never disappoints. His deepest regret is that he has yet to find a SMN that cares about his Ukon.

Parses Dallas, parses. Actually every good SMN I know also has an Ukon.

[Dallas]

Based on your forum troll standards, the only good SMN is one that brings WAR to everything but 3 fights, and any moron can BP/release like a champ. Of course they are the only SMN you know. That's why you can't actually talk about SMN in a SMN related thread.

Love my ukon! I'm special!

[Leonlionheart]

Hvergelmir is pretty useless.

[Dallas]

Only if you don't play SMN. People who want an autoattack job for a sig clearly don't play SMN a whole lot. Let's just chalk it up to "bored WAR getting no attention from SE" so that you don't *have* to sound competent talking about SMN.

[SpankWustler]

People who want an autoattack job clearly don't play SMN a whole lot.

I can think of one guy who fits this criteria.

[Reiterpallasch]

In all the years i've played this game SE has never gotten a single mage weapon right.

Especially all those ele staves. Wtf was SE thinking!?

[Sargent]

As said before, if you want a weapon to deal damage, do the elemental staff trials. If you want a melee toy, do Hvergelmir. Why do Hver over the WoE version? Coz Kukulkan and Sedna are both complete jokes when done right. And the best thing about it? You put shame on Atmaless DDs when your ODD procs on SMN deal more damage then their ws (provided you use Crit atmas)

[Korpg]

/sigh, I kindof knew that Dallas would come here to chime in his supposed "godliness" on this thread, but I figured that if I didn't chime in my opinion on the matter of this staff, then he wouldn't show up (he has some deep love for me I'm guessing). But here he is....

As someone with Hvergelmir, I can tell you certain melee are already butthurt about the staff. WAR play SMN when their WAR is useless. SMN is almost never useless (I can only name the 2 Diabolos fights offhand). EDIT: oh look! It's a WAR!

WARs play SMN when it is better to have a SMN with a disposable pet on the mob instead of running in there and dying from AoE death moves every 10 seconds. WAR plays WARs for the other 99.999999999999999999999% of the content out there because it is a stronger damage dealer, can tank better, can weaponskill faster, can produce more damage without WSing than a SMN with avatar can produce. The list goes on. SMN is only useful for a very limited amount of mobs, and half of those mobs can be done with a sacrifice puller instead of a SMN.

Hvergelmir as a melee staff (used of course to melee) is perfect. MP = damage. I will say that +20 MP is lackluster for L95, especially since you can't improve our WS any further. A good Myrkr build is already close to 100% MP recovery at 300% TP.

If they are going to give the staff boosts similar to other weapons, they need to give the staff Regain. Let all mages have a reason to equip the staff whether they melee or not.

Give them an excuse to melee and maybe having the staff might have meaning.

If your only jobs are SMN, BLM, and SCH, then having a Hvergelmir is not a wasted emp. Having any of the other 17 jobs leveled and geared, that staff is a waste. Even Redemption is better than a Hvergelmir.

[Korpg]

His deepest regret is that he has yet to find a SMN that cares about his Ukon.

Actually, he knows me. He has seen the damage output my WAR can produce, and he knows that I'm one of the better SMNs in this game (or at least, on Asura) by his multiple complaining about my killing T2 mobs in Heroes solo. I would LOVE to see you attempt that as a melee mage Dallas.

[Korpg]

Based on your forum troll standards, the only good SMN is one that brings WAR to everything but 3 fights, and any moron can BP/release like a champ. Of course they are the only SMN you know. That's why you can't actually talk about SMN in a SMN related thread.

Love my ukon! I'm special!

How many times have you died to AoE spam? How many times could you have not died from AoE spam if you were not out there whacking on the mob?

Love my Hver! I'm special!