Hvergelmir WTF SE

[Neisan_Quetz]

ODD procs obviously.

(yea I know but that's really it, Hvelg is technically the only weapon that has no reason to not have 300% aftermath up)

[Meyi]

I want the Hvergelmir to melee. It'll be fun to destroy some monsters in Campaign with a staff inbetween nukes. And I like to solo a lot on Summoner alongside my avatar, another great use.

I'd honestly like to see more melee friendly mage gear, but I'd be afraid of melee thinking we're stepping on their toes. :<

[Dallas]

I want the Hvergelmir to melee. It'll be fun to destroy some monsters in Campaign with a staff inbetween nukes. And I like to solo a lot on Summoner alongside my avatar, another great use.

I'd honestly like to see more melee friendly mage gear, but I'd be afraid of melee thinking we're stepping on their toes. :<

As someone with Hvergelmir, I can tell you certain melee are already butthurt about the staff. WAR play SMN when their WAR is useless. SMN is almost never useless (I can only name the 2 Diabolos fights offhand). EDIT: oh look! It's a WAR!

Hvergelmir as a melee staff (used of course to melee) is perfect. MP = damage. I will say that +20 MP is lackluster for L95, especially since you can't improve our WS any further. A good Myrkr build is already close to 100% MP recovery at 300% TP.

If they are going to give the staff boosts similar to other weapons, they need to give the staff Regain. Let all mages have a reason to equip the staff whether they melee or not.

[Korpg]

/sigh, I kindof knew that Dallas would come here to chime in his supposed "godliness" on this thread, but I figured that if I didn't chime in my opinion on the matter of this staff, then he wouldn't show up (he has some deep love for me I'm guessing). But here he is....

As someone with Hvergelmir, I can tell you certain melee are already butthurt about the staff. WAR play SMN when their WAR is useless. SMN is almost never useless (I can only name the 2 Diabolos fights offhand). EDIT: oh look! It's a WAR!

WARs play SMN when it is better to have a SMN with a disposable pet on the mob instead of running in there and dying from AoE death moves every 10 seconds. WAR plays WARs for the other 99.999999999999999999999% of the content out there because it is a stronger damage dealer, can tank better, can weaponskill faster, can produce more damage without WSing than a SMN with avatar can produce. The list goes on. SMN is only useful for a very limited amount of mobs, and half of those mobs can be done with a sacrifice puller instead of a SMN.

Hvergelmir as a melee staff (used of course to melee) is perfect. MP = damage. I will say that +20 MP is lackluster for L95, especially since you can't improve our WS any further. A good Myrkr build is already close to 100% MP recovery at 300% TP.

If they are going to give the staff boosts similar to other weapons, they need to give the staff Regain. Let all mages have a reason to equip the staff whether they melee or not.

Give them an excuse to melee and maybe having the staff might have meaning.

If your only jobs are SMN, BLM, and SCH, then having a Hvergelmir is not a wasted emp. Having any of the other 17 jobs leveled and geared, that staff is a waste. Even Redemption is better than a Hvergelmir.

[SpankWustler]

Your toilet isn't going to magically transform into a fridge because a place to store your perishable food is typically more useful than a place to store your waste until it decomposes. Toilets are toilets and fridges are fridges.

You should have known full-well you were making a toilet when you started the process.

[Genoxd]

I have Hvergelmir and I'd like to say I am very happy with it. Not even counting the damage you can do having fun meleeing, the MP gain is amazing. I can pop on Atma of the Sea Daughter and get about 20MP/tick. That means while soloing I can spam BP Rage and Ward and never run out of MP. You can't do that with just MM. Even outside of abyssea, my BLM and SMN have no problem with MP in new content like Voidwatch. This staff gives you a limitless supply of MP, it is worth it for the weaponskill. I'll also that it is quite fun to play melee SMN with this thing. 600-700 dmg crits are awesome.

My only complaint: Aftermath doesn't extend to spells/avatars

[Alhanelem]

I feel bad because next month I will be wasting my ls's time as they farm 50 Kuk fangs for me to upgrade to sedna tusk stage

You shouldn't even need to waste your LS's time with this. Sedna tusks are used for nothing but the staff. Kukulkan fangs are used for nothing but the staff. Lots of people kill these and the items often fall to the ground. Just find someone doing it and ask if you can have them. They're so plentiful you can easily get them for free or really cheap.

Not sure why anyone would do Empyrean Staff. If you want the WS do the WoE one, the max MP thing won't make MUCH of a diff to a SMN that has tons of MP, just macro in MP gear or something.

The MP max makes a significant difference; The empyrean staff is significantly easier up til the level 85 version with the incoming WoE changes.

[Leonlionheart]

No no no no no... Don't mention this weapon here, quick hide this thread.

Dallas will show up and we'll get 1,000pg+ of why SMN should all melee or go burn in the deepest fires of hell

[Alhanelem]

He's already being ignored by anyone who cares about this subject, so it doesn't matter.

[Darkwizardzin]

Sounds more or less what I've said before... it seems like SE has no intention of ever giving black mages a more useful relic/mythic/empyrean. At this point i've given up asking.. and have just accepted that we won't get a godly useful weapon like most other classes.

The best thing to do at this point is make the best use of these weapons as you can (as some people have said the Hvergelmir does have a few applications)... and tbh SE does have bigger gameplay balance issues to deal with like thf and drk (....but tbh I don't think they will ever make the people who play those jobs happy... every time SE does somthing they only get more OP'ed at them... not to say most of there points aren't valid).