[dev1024] Job adjustments - RDM

[Rayik]

RDM isn't meant to be a melee mage DD hybrid, bluemage is. Redmage is a backline support/debuffer job.

Notice how your ideas want to add COMPLETELY insane things that are new and not easily added? There's a reason for that - you're trying to change the job completely. That is not SE's intention.

Enspells
Temper
Gain-Str, Vit, Dex, etc
Magian/Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Swords
Melee Gear (Dusk, Calmecac, Atheling Mantle, Brisk Mask, etc)
Composure's Accuracy Bonus
Etc. (Phalanx, Stoneskin, etc but useful for other situations too)
Etc.
Etc.

Clearly you're right, what on earth were we thinking? SE never intended RDM to ever actually melee anything...

Seriously Shiyo, at this point you're trolling. Even the new Drain-TP sword has RDM on it. I think it's pretty clear they want RDM to melee at least some of the time. Where it's appropriate is debatable.

[Rayik]

Late to the discussion on staffs, but here are my thoughts on them in a nutshell.

I think what's tethering us to those godawful, outdated staffs is that they are just too damn good. Period. Not even being sarcastic. We got options in the Magian weapons, but even 39 levels later we can't readily replace those lvl 51 staffs except for.... drumroll... More staffs(magian this time).

Sure, we have the option to have M.Acc swords, or even MAB swords, even dual-wield them and mix and match, but the problem is that even the NQ elemental staffs are STILL better, because they offer both M.Acc and potency to each element. I could carry two of either sword to outdo one or the other, but can't match the full output of the staff. Not to mention how much versatility we'd lose by subbing NIN or DNC just to dual-wield in the first place.

I don't think SE had thought about future prospects much when they put out those elemental staffs. No lvl 51 piece of gear should be that good. Hindsight is a ***ch.

[Shiyo]

Yeah, clearly I'm trolling, that would explain why not a single piece of our AF3 has a single melee boosting stat on it at all. It would also explain why we've gotten very very very very few pieces of melee gear since 75.

Yep, trolling.

But it's ok, keep thinking RDM is meant to melee, meanwhile everyone who is smart enough to realize a square won't fit into a round hole will be playing bluemage.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Please read, he said some of the time, not all, not most, but some, you're just making yourself look stupid now. Even Whm and Smn can melee some of the time too. Is it efficient for most stuff? No, can you do it on weaker stuff, yes.

5% DA rate is still a pretty terrible spell.

[Shiyo]

Please read, he said some of the time, not all, not most, but some, you're just making yourself look stupid now. Even Whm and Smn can melee some of the time too. Is it efficient for most stuff? No, can you do it on weaker stuff, yes.

5% DA rate is still a pretty terrible spell.

Then why are we wasting time on trying to buff our melee if we only melee things that are so weak it doesn't even matter?

....makes no sense. Please buff us for party play and stronger monsters, thank you.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I am hoping that's what the proposed enfeeblement adjustment will do, but I've almost given up on hoping with SE's track history. I don't mind them releasing a melee spell, but this one is nearly as bad as Enspell 2 as it stands in my opinion.

[Crimson_Slasher]

Also the warlock gloves/boots raise parrying/shield, which are technically frontline buffs, parrying is a bit iffy since one can parry with a staff, but shield is not. And warlock gloves and duelist tights have dex on them, but im sure thats so we can...uhm...magic...better? Then again square does like picking one piece of the origional AF gear and just going "Random stat goes here!" like rdm's chr on warlock body, or smn's vit on...i believe gloves? Or whm's str on gloves (which is awesome) or so-on.

[Rambus]

Saying a RDM should get a reraise spell is like saying PLD should get it too, they never had that line of spells.

I would be more upset over not having something to compare to cure V then reraise, ohhhhh a main job that has a line of spells has the same spells off a sub, that's logical.

Why should sub haste be the same amount as it coming from a main? I still think SE did not really thought out the spell progress jobs should have.

[Rayik]

Yeah, clearly I'm trolling, that would explain why not a single piece of our AF3 has a single melee boosting stat on it at all. It would also explain why we've gotten very very very very few pieces of melee gear since 75.

Yep, trolling.

But it's ok, keep thinking RDM is meant to melee, meanwhile everyone who is smart enough to realize a square won't fit into a round hole will be playing bluemage.

EDIT: On second thought, nevermind. It's clear from your posts you have zero knowledge of RDM outside of opening chests and healing, and have zero interest in hearing any other input than your own, so there's really nothing left for either of us to say to each other.

[cidbahamut]

Edit: post I was responding to got edited. Now I has a sad.