[dev1024] Job adjustments - RDM

[Shiyo]

Please level another job and stop trying to fit a square into a round hole, wtf.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Please level another job and stop trying to fit a square into a round hole, wtf.

Whenever you post on this site remember this:

You're a troll.... GO AWAY!!!

You never even levelled RDM before Abyssea so what the hell do you know.

[Rayik]

Please level another job and stop trying to fit a square into a round hole, wtf.

The irony, it's almost hurts.

[cidbahamut]

Notice my complaints are entirely fueled by the knowledge that RDM's theme is less skill at magic than WHM and BLM in exchange for skill with the sword. This means that AoE spells are instantly out of the question if it can be avoided (notice how past Diaga we have no AoE native to our job).

Ruling out AoE is foolish. SE may have settled on that as a design choice but that doesn't make it ok.

Folks are stamping their feet about not wanting another buff they can cast on others because they'll have to cycle it.
SE's refusal to allow us AoE buffs means whatever buffs we can cast on others will have to be cycled.
The solution isn't to make all our buffs self-cast only, the solution is to address the need to cycle buffs.
This is accomplished by making buffs AoE and giving them lengthy durations.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Ruling out AoE is foolish. SE may have settled on that as a design choice but that doesn't make it ok.

Folks are stamping their feet about not wanting another buff they can cast on others because they'll have to cycle it.
SE's refusal to allow us AoE buffs means whatever buffs we can cast on others will have to be cycled.
The solution isn't to make all our buffs self-cast only, the solution is to address the need to cycle buffs.
This is accomplished by making buffs AoE and giving them lengthy durations.

Even duration when AoE isn't bothersome. Casting Haste, Refresh and Phalanx II as an example everytime it's due just once is better than it is now.

[Duelle]

Ruling out AoE is foolish. SE may have settled on that as a design choice but that doesn't make it ok.

Tell that to the developers, not me. It may not be the same guys that took years to realize "hmm, maybe call wyvern as a 2 hour ability was a bad idea after all...", but their influence certainly lingers, and the fact that there's been changes in the developer team yet nothing of substantial change outside of more jugs for BST, avatar favors and abyssea as a whole tells me they're sticking to their guns. They're not going to suddenly say "RDM should get AoE versions of their buffs" (which is as likely as DRK getting getting changed into a tank job); at least, not in -ga or -ra form. Hence my support for the buff sharing/spread/copy idea.

On a personal note, -gas and -ras don't make sense on RDM. Again, the concept of RDM shows it forgoes higher tier spells in exchange for martial prowess. -gas and -ras easily fall into that category.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Tell that to the developers, not me. It may not be the same guys that took years to realize "hmm, maybe call wyvern as a 2 hour ability was a bad idea after all...", but their influence certainly lingers, and the fact that there's been changes in the developer team yet nothing of substantial change outside of more jugs for BST, avatar favors and abyssea as a whole tells me they're sticking to their guns. They're not going to suddenly say "RDM should get AoE versions of their buffs" (which is as likely as DRK getting getting changed into a tank job); at least, not in -ga or -ra form. Hence my support for the buff sharing/spread/copy idea.

On a personal note, -gas and -ras don't make sense on RDM. Again, the concept of RDM shows it forgoes higher tier spells in exchange for martial prowess. -gas and -ras easily fall into that category.

Doesn't RDM have -ga's on older FF's? now I know they were rather powerful on the normal RPG's but they were no different to other spells in that they got low tier -ga's but not the higher ones.

[Bubeeky]

Doesn't RDM have -ga's on older FF's? now I know they were rather powerful on the normal RPG's but they were no different to other spells in that they got low tier -ga's but not the higher ones.

The thing about that is though, they didn't get their own spells, it was just a mishmash of low level magic (like Tier 2 or 3) that whm and blm could use and the tradeoff is that they could cast two spells in one round.

[Shiyo]

Uh, I was level 61 RDM in 2003 before I quit for WOW for 3 years? It was my first job.

If you hate cycling buffs, also, please, level another job. If you want to be a herpa derp DD who can afk and just do nothing, level MNK.

[Lago]

I was fine with cycling 2 spells. 3 was a bit cumbersome. 4 would be ridiculous. More is not necessarily better. I mean, I like ice cream but I'd hate it if I never got to eat other things.