Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Korpg]

I've yet to see a SMN use Odin lately because the novelty wore off by now. Get over it. "Oh noes a job got something good that's similar to my toy boo hoo hooo!" is the cancer that kills MMORPGs. Quit it.

Until Odin can do better than max 10% of the mobs health at 100% of the mob's health only, Odin will just take a back seat for Astral Flow to Alexander.

Merton looks good and useful. I wonder if they are going to have the same effect on NMs or are they going to be resisted to heck and back?

[Elexia]

Until Odin can do better than max 10% of the mobs health at 100% of the mob's health only, Odin will just take a back seat for Astral Flow to Alexander.

Merton looks good and useful. I wonder if they are going to have the same effect on NMs or are they going to be resisted to heck and back?

Knowing SE, depending on the actual strength and duration of the DoT it'll likely take a very large hit or flatout resisted against NMs, probably not Requiem resisted (is Sonic Damage really that godly? >.>) but probably helix styled resistance.

[Tsuneo]

Knowing SE, depending on the actual strength and duration of the DoT it'll likely take a very large hit or flatout resisted against NMs, probably not Requiem resisted (is Sonic Damage really that godly? >.>) but probably helix styled resistance.

If Merton is similar to helices in regards to the accuracy, I hope the duration is at least decent at least. If the duration is a decent amount of time then at least it could be elemental sealed, but if its a short duration you would have an elemental seal for the first cast and then getting resisted like crazy for the remainder of Tabula Rasa. Perhaps it won't be similar to helices or so I hope.

[Karbuncle]

I've yet to see a SMN use Odin lately because the novelty wore off by now. Get over it. "Oh noes a job got something good that's similar to my toy boo hoo hooo!" is the cancer that kills MMORPGs. Quit it.

Sorry for a page back bump.

If they turned around and gave WAR an A- Scythe/Greatsword Skill and all Scythe Weaponskills, You wouldn't complain or be a teeny upset?

Or if they happen to give Absorb Spells to RDM? and Dread Spikes to BLM? You'd be fine if suddenly your job had nothing unique anymore?

For the record, I don't care about the Merton complaining, The only similarities it has to Odin is that its a 2hr only and dark based, nothing more. I'm just trying to point out everyone has a weak spot when it comes to jobs.
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The idea of being upset over Merton being a dark based nuke (which is where the similarities between it and odin in) is illogical to me, But I'd be hypocritical of me to think I might not go there if they did something similar with my favorite job, and you'd be lying to yourself if you can't say you wouldn't be upset if your favorite job lost something unique.

[Korpg]

Sorry for a page back bump.

If they turned around and gave WAR an A- Scythe/Greatsword Skill and all Scythe Weaponskills, You wouldn't complain or be a teeny upset?

Or if they happen to give Absorb Spells to RDM? and Dread Spikes to BLM? You'd be fine if suddenly your job had nothing unique anymore?

For the record, I don't care about the Merton complaining, The only similarities it has to Odin is that its a 2hr only and dark based, nothing more. I'm just trying to point out everyone has a weak spot when it comes to jobs.
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The idea of being upset over Merton being a dark based nuke (which is where the similarities between it and odin in) is illogical to me, But I'd be hypocritical of me to think I might not go there if they did something similar with my favorite job, and you'd be lying to yourself if you can't say you wouldn't be upset if your favorite job lost something unique.

Lets not forget that, because it is dark based, it will be resisted by a lot on NMs that are dark based.

[Elexia]

Sorry for a page back bump.

If they turned around and gave WAR an A- Scythe/Greatsword Skill and all Scythe Weaponskills, You wouldn't complain or be a teeny upset?

Nope, because WAR is supposed to have great skill in pretty much every weapon which is why they can use almost every weapon pretty well but they don't have access to the decent Scythes that exist. WAR can use all GSD weaponskills currently except for Sickle Moon, Spinning Slash and Torcleaver and only a handful of points under an unmerited DRK (B+ versus A-).

Or if they happen to give Absorb Spells to RDM? and Dread Spikes to BLM? You'd be fine if suddenly your job had nothing unique anymore?

Considering they won't and it's well known Absorb spells need a boost, I wouldn't complain either, because DRK has been getting the shaft since 2003 so it would be nothing new. DRK has nothing that defines it or makes it unique, Dread Spikes is great, but they'd sooner give BLM a MP recovery Spike like in XIV than they would Dread Spikes. The only time I've ever seen something unique go to another job was when the cap raised and everyone had access to things like Quick Draw and Convert. I can even gank Fan Dance, Yonin/Innin from mobs that happens to absorb it on my BLU, so it's really nothing to complain about because a lot of jobs still use their unique abilities better than it being subbed for example because chances are it can be enhanced only by the main job.

Just crying over another job that gets something and saying it takes away from a job is ridiculous and why MMORPGs die a slow painful death job balance wise.

[Alhanelem]

Ah, but underwhelming additions with the cap increases is not the providence of SCH alone sir and that is the heart of the topic at hand here no?

And for the record's record: I'll take Emperor Gestahl's name for the spell: "Melton"!

I guess my intended message was "Just because a job is good does not mean it deserves crappy updates." New stuff isn't added just to balance the jobs, it's also to spice them up.

Until Odin can do better than max 10% of the mobs health at 100% of the mob's health only, Odin will just take a back seat for Astral Flow to Alexander.

Against most of the mobs you'd use it against where it inflicts damage, the maximum is 9999, which I hit pretty often; I'm pretty sure the max is 20% not 10%; because I've done over 12000 damage to king behemoth (with bonuses and I'm pretty sure he doesn't have 100,000 HP. Odin doesn't always take a backseat, either. If you don't really need alexander, then you may as well use Odin, since chances are good it will do more damage than the other 2hours with less fuss.

[Karbuncle]

Just crying over another job that gets something and saying it takes away from a job is ridiculous and why MMORPGs die a slow painful death job balance wise.

I disagree. Giving no job anything unique and, as such, dishing out anything considered "unique traits" to every job is what would kill a game. If there's no unique aspects to any job, there's no reason to level any job but the one that does it the best. You'll lose more people that way.

One person in a thousand might level a job anyway for fun, but even for them (you) the fun would eventually wear off.

I can't say i believe you when you say you'd be perfectly content with your favorite job becoming absolutely worthless because it slowly lost all of its unique traits, But I have no way to prove it otherwise. So i must accept it. However i will remain skeptical.

[Dallas]

I've yet to see a SMN use Odin lately because the novelty wore off by now. Get over it. "Oh noes a job got something good that's similar to my toy boo hoo hooo!" is the cancer that kills MMORPGs. Quit it.

Novelty is not gone, but they might as well have given this Merlot spell to Santa. SCH don't exist either.

[Korpg]

Dallas....why?

Why do you have to come to a thread and crap it up with your personal musing that nobody wants to hear, and is also completely false? I know you are being sarcastic, but damn man, you don't even need to be here. The topic is not melee SMN, so why do you feel like you have to chime in on this?