Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Korpg]

don't you worry guys, once more people get hvergelmir they'll show us how sick SMN melee DPS is and they won't even need 2 hours

Better watch out, Dallas might actually take you sarcastic remark seriously and think that he is God again.

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I happy for SCH for Merton, if it is indeed superior to a summoners 2hour/Odin, then Odin needs an adjustment on how its used, or some other mean of adjustment not said yet.

I would really like to hear something on this matter from the devs though between Merton/Odin please.

This is not Q.Q. this is just simple feedback.

[Elexia]

I happy for SCH for Merton, if it is indeed superior to a summoners 2hour/Odin, then Odin needs an adjustment on how its used, or some other mean of adjustment not said yet.

I would really like to hear something on this matter from the devs though between Merton/Odin please.

This is not Q.Q. this is just simple feedback.

It is QQ. I guess if and when (seems more like when) BLM gets Death we'll have SMNs QQing that Odin is simply a 2hr and not a consistent being.

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I'm sorry, this spell can only be casted under the effect of SCH's 2 hour?

p.s. Also Odin is Frontcone attack Merton is AoE around target?

[Elexia]

I'm sorry, this spell can only be casted under the effect of SCH's 2 hour?

p.s. Also Odin is Frontcone attack Merton is AoE around target?

Yep, they stated we're getting something specific under Tabula Rasa, this is it. What isn't known is the resistance rates versus things like NMs let alone requirements beyond Tabula Rasa, since it's not new if it's a rare/ex scroll from some quest, or if god forbid it get tossed into magians somehow.

[Soundwave]

Yep, they stated we're getting something specific under Tabula Rasa, this is it. What isn't known is the resistance rates versus things like NMs let alone requirements beyond Tabula Rasa, since it's not new if it's a rare/ex scroll from some quest, or if god forbid it get tossed into magians somehow.

Thanks, that being said I don't know why people think this thread is for complaining the OP is just asking SE to re-look at Odin if deemed necessary.

I to would like SE to reevaluate Odin and his uses. If sch can preform Odin task better I'm happy for them however Please revamp Odin.

[Malamasala]

Elexia, it is not about some other job getting the same ability, it is about someone getting a three times as good ability.

When using Odin you roughly have 100% chance to kill first mob, 50% to kill second, 25% to kill third, 12% to kill fourth, 6% to kill fifth... (exaggerated, but spot on that you'll rarely ever kill 5 monsters). In this SCH just uses its JA's and killed 10.

Average 3 monsters vs 10... 3 times the killing power. That is the issue. You can even have all my avatars on SCH, I won't care. But they better not do triple damage when used by a SCH, that will upset my balance senses. (These are like spider senses)


I've got SCH leveled myself. I haven't noticed anything negative with it at all, except that I can't sleep while main healing since I'll be in light arts mode. It is a lot of fun, I just don't have the energy to equip it well so I'm a gimp. I've actually not parsed it, but I think my gimp SCH can out-DD my maxed out SMN. Some chance of death there though.

[Korpg]

Elexia, it is not about some other job getting the same ability, it is about someone getting a three times as good ability.

When using Odin you roughly have 100% chance to kill first mob, 50% to kill second, 25% to kill third, 12% to kill fourth, 6% to kill fifth... (exaggerated, but spot on that you'll rarely ever kill 5 monsters). In this SCH just uses its JA's and killed 10.

Average 3 monsters vs 10... 3 times the killing power. That is the issue. You can even have all my avatars on SCH, I won't care. But they better not do triple damage when used by a SCH, that will upset my balance senses. (These are like spider senses)


I've got SCH leveled myself. I haven't noticed anything negative with it at all, except that I can't sleep while main healing since I'll be in light arts mode. It is a lot of fun, I just don't have the energy to equip it well so I'm a gimp. I've actually not parsed it, but I think my gimp SCH can out-DD my maxed out SMN. Some chance of death there though.

Just stop typing. You don't know the difference between damage and an enfeeble, and how resist rates effect both of them differently. Yes, Death is an enfeeble, since it is cast on the mob and doesn't do damage, but instead it gives the mob a status effect (Mob receives the effect of KO). Stop trying to convince people that you know what you are talking about when you make a post like this.

[Malamasala]

Just stop typing. You don't know the difference between damage and an enfeeble, and how resist rates effect both of them differently. Yes, Death is an enfeeble, since it is cast on the mob and doesn't do damage, but instead it gives the mob a status effect (Mob receives the effect of KO). Stop trying to convince people that you know what you are talking about when you make a post like this.

So let me get this straight. You are claiming that Death is a NORMAL enfeeble, and that if you pull 100 monsters, 50 will die? Because I, who am a very dumb Summoner who shouldn't post, were under the impression SE coded the attack to have less success the more targets were in range.

The accuracy of this ability is dependent on the number of targets within range.

Wiki on the other hand seem to agree with me.

Bringing me back to my point. SCH is getting some kind of unrestricted AOE death ball move, and SMN has a restricted target number attack.

Naturally I'm not saying SCH can't get this, it is rather that the SMN restriction should be removed if they do.

[Korpg]

So let me get this straight. You are claiming that Death is a NORMAL enfeeble, and that if you pull 100 monsters, 50 will die? Because I, who am a very dumb Summoner who shouldn't post, were under the impression SE coded the attack to have less success the more targets were in range.

Where did you get that 100/50 part? It is an enfeeble (look at the log, the mob is hit with the effect of KO). Yes, what you said about the more mobs = lower % of it hitting is right, but that is common knowledge since SE said so themselves that Odin's ability would do that. Pointing it out and complaining that SCH has a spell that does damage with a high DoT effect is basically hurting SMN is the stupid part of your argument. But you are right, you shouldn't be posting.

Bringing me back to my point. SCH is getting some kind of unrestricted AOE death ball move, and SMN has a restricted target number attack.

Naturally I'm not saying SCH can't get this, it is rather that the SMN restriction should be removed if they do.

Why aren't you complaining that BLMs have the ability to one-shot any/all non-NM mobs also? It is called, you know, casting a spell, but you are basically asking that both SCH and BLM shouldn't have this ability to cast damaging spells because Odin can't kill all mobs with his 2hr.

And what I said is not an assumption, you just said that in the above quote. You like to assume things and accuse me of assuming things too which you have just been proven wrong.

How about you stop posting until you find something positive to post about?