Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

[Runespider]

I've seen War cleave down tons of mobs in one cleave.. with mighty strikes. I have no problem with this, it is their 2 hour after all. My LS's Bravura geared warrior does that all the time. It's fun to watch.

Can't really say 2 hour is any limitation anymore, ISL boxes are really common.

I think one thing about about this outshining SMN is possibly that with Odin 2 hour you get a hate free AOE KO attempt, with SCH they will have hate on the ones that they don't kill. Once odin dies the hate dies with it, the sch will still have to deal with the ones left over.

[hiko]

ITT odin is the only dmg BP a smn can use under AF.
ITT SMN wont get atomos when under AF (and cait sith full time)

[Karbuncle]

This entire thread pretty much just feels like a bunch of people talking about jobs they know nothing about. A lot of misconceptions flying around.

To clear it up, both SCH and SMN are extremely limited jobs with very limited uses, and most of their uses can be done better by other jobs and job combos.

Both require attention, Merton seems nice. Stop fritzing.

[Neonii]

Me personally I would like to see unique stuff for both smn and sch. Both need some type of ability/whatever that are unique and useful. Sch to step on smn toes wow I hope is is a misconception. I watch other characters cleave and say wow I'd like to take out 12 mobs.

Edit: I know we are getting two new avatars but only one that we can really use, enjoy (hopefully), and play with on a regular basis. I tend to think of the two hour avatars as just that a two hour ability. I like avatars I can play with all the time. The two hour ones are so limited. Outside of special areas I would have to wait up to six hours to use them in a row. I realize it would not be practical but it would have been kinda cool visually to walk around with a maw floating behind me. I think Odin has awesome graphics but when I use him he is gone to fast to really enjoy them.

[Secondplanet]

its seems almost the case for sch "anything you can do i can do better" towards smn, earthern ward anyone?

Anyways aside from that SE still hasn't released any information on new job abilities to us yet, for all we know Odin will become a summonable avatar with his 2hr ability becoming a high cost blood pact, seems unlikely but you never know. Also with the next level cap Summoning Magic cap will raise which means Odin and Alexander will become more potent and powerful.

And Karbuncle if you think Sch or Smn is limited maybe you should take your tag down.

[Korpg]

By the looks of it, both are Dark elemental, both would have the same accuracy standpoint (since the SCH in the video used Elemental Seal on the scorp before using it), and both wouldn't do much on actual NMs.

Yeah, if you are farming TEs or Gold Boxes, both would be underwelmed by other jobs that can do the job without the use of 2 hour, but it does give SCH something. What did they have to use before this video was made that they could TE farm in abyssea? Nothing.

I still want to see the potency of Brave though, it might make SCH wanted again.

[Neonii]

By the looks of it, both are Dark elemental, both would have the same accuracy standpoint (since the SCH in the video used Elemental Seal on the scorp before using it), and both wouldn't do much on actual NMs.

Yeah, if you are farming TEs or Gold Boxes, both would be underwelmed by other jobs that can do the job without the use of 2 hour, but it does give SCH something. What did they have to use before this video was made that they could TE farm in abyssea? Nothing.

I still want to see the potency of Brave though, it might make SCH wanted again.

What do you use to T.E. farm on smn solo? I'm curious as if there is something I missed.

[Korpg]

What do you use to T.E. farm on smn solo? I'm curious as if there is something I missed.

I haven't done a TE farm as SMN in a very long time.

Unless you cap Azure on Emp squids or clinoids, you won't be soloing TE. But I have a lot of stones so I don't really need to worry about wasting them when I solo in Abyssea.

[Ophannus]

Tabula Rasa lasts 60 seconds. Astral Flow is 3 minutes. Next!

[Dreamin]

Tabula Rasa lasts 60 seconds. Astral Flow is 3 minutes. Next!

You clearly doesnt' know that summoning Odin will instantly cancels AF. So yes, AF CAN be 3min but if you use Odin or Alexander, it's game over until you reset your 2hr. In your words, TR 60 seconds, Odin/Alexander, Instant. Next!