Explain SE!

[RAIST]

You appear to be a new poster here and apparently don't know much of anything about me, Winrie. So, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.....I seriously hope you aren't trolling.

facts are facts. That's what I try my best to stick to, and if it is an opinion I try to provide the reasons for why I have that point of view, based on what I know of a situation.

That post was in direct response to someone challenging the OP's right to post. OP didn't appear to be posting to solicit biling support, and was accused of it. He/she did not ask SE to fix an account--asked them to fix the snafus in the billing system. I simply posted some possible reasons why he/she may have posted is all, in counter to the accusations lobbed at the OP. Those reasons are based on events that are happening, and gave an example to back it up.

For that, I get called a tinfoil hat wearer? Korpg should really know better...we've both been round and round these forums long enough to know that I am not in the conspiracy theorist camp.

As for "dribble about how right you are".... well, I direct you again to the point above: facts are facts. Either they are right, or they are wrong. A few people have called us wrong on posts without providing any evidence to the contrary, while I and others have provided evidence to support those challenged facts. When something I post has been shown to be wrong, I stand corrected and the record shows it and we try to move on. So, if it is dribble about me being right when I and others have been proven to be in the right...well, then I guess a bunch of us here are dribbling fools?

[Winrie]

You appear to be a new poster here and apparently don't know much of anything about me, Winrie. So, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.....I seriously hope you aren't trolling.

facts are facts. That's what I try my best to stick to, and if it is an opinion I try to provide the reasons for why I have that point of view, based on what I know of a situation.

That post was in direct response to someone challenging the OP's right to post. OP didn't appear to be posting to solicit biling support, and was accused of it. He/she did not ask SE to fix an account--asked them to fix the snafus in the billing system. I simply posted some possible reasons why he/she may have posted is all, in counter to the accusations lobbed at the OP. Those reasons are based on events that are happening, and gave an example to back it up.

For that, I get called a tinfoil hat wearer? Korpg should really know better...we've both been round and round these forums long enough to know that I am not in the conspiracy theorist camp.

As for "dribble about how right you are".... well, I direct you again to the point above: facts are facts. Either they are right, or they are wrong. A few people have called us wrong on posts without providing any evidence to the contrary, while I and others have provided evidence to support those challenged facts. When something I post has been shown to be wrong, I stand corrected and the record shows it and we try to move on. So, if it is dribble about me being right when I and others have been proven to be in the right...well, then I guess a bunch of us here are dribbling fools?

I never asked for your benefit of the doubt, nor will i pursue a drawn out responce to yours, all im going to say is through more threads than this one you pose an image of 'I'm correct always" Since i am entitled to my own opinion, i will say it gets old after awhile, considering you are only correct maybe half of the time, if any. I'll leave it at that.

[RAIST]

I never asked for your benefit of the doubt, nor will i pursue a drawn out responce to yours, all im going to say is through more threads than this one you pose an image of 'I'm correct always" Since i am entitled to my own opinion, i will say it gets old after awhile, considering you are only correct maybe half of the time, if any. I'll leave it at that.

Hey, you threw down the gauntlet. I just responded in kind. If you think someone is wrong, then challenge the post and provide something to back up the challenge. Like I said, others have done this to not only myself, but others in the past. When something was proven to be wrong, the record shows that. Several here have tried to issue challenges, but presented strawmen and never actually addressed the points as stated. So, if you see something specifically wrong, present facts to the contrary and have an honest debate over the issue. Don't just sling mud and then duck and cover.

[Korpg]

You appear to be a new poster here and apparently don't know much of anything about me, Winrie. So, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.....I seriously hope you aren't trolling.

facts are facts. That's what I try my best to stick to, and if it is an opinion I try to provide the reasons for why I have that point of view, based on what I know of a situation.

That post was in direct response to someone challenging the OP's right to post. OP didn't appear to be posting to solicit biling support, and was accused of it. He/she did not ask SE to fix an account--asked them to fix the snafus in the billing system. I simply posted some possible reasons why he/she may have posted is all, in counter to the accusations lobbed at the OP. Those reasons are based on events that are happening, and gave an example to back it up.

For that, I get called a tinfoil hat wearer? Korpg should really know better...we've both been round and round these forums long enough to know that I am not in the conspiracy theorist camp.

As for "dribble about how right you are".... well, I direct you again to the point above: facts are facts. Either they are right, or they are wrong. A few people have called us wrong on posts without providing any evidence to the contrary, while I and others have provided evidence to support those challenged facts. When something I post has been shown to be wrong, I stand corrected and the record shows it and we try to move on. So, if it is dribble about me being right when I and others have been proven to be in the right...well, then I guess a bunch of us here are dribbling fools?

I agree with you, I think that the OP made this thread to draw attention to himself.

My reference for "tinfoil hat" was because of your wording to your response. You make it sound like SE is out to scam everyone, you even use that word in that post. I'm just wondering when this scam theory will stop. Will you leave it just for SE, or will you continue and say another company (Click and Buy), then another company (Microsoft), then start saying countries (Japan, USA, UK, etc.) are out there trying to scam money from the "hardworking people of XX countries" (in case you haven't realized, a nation as a whole hasn't been hard working since the 1950s, everyone got lazy at 1960s and 1970s, and started demanding free stuff since then, at least in USA it has been that way).

Yeah, it is some historical political BS, but at least it is verifiable facts. Better than hearing it from a friend (or a friend of a friend of a neighbor of a friend).

[RAIST]

I agree with you, I think that the OP made this thread to draw attention to himself.

My reference for "tinfoil hat" was because of your wording to your response. You make it sound like SE is out to scam everyone, you even use that word in that post. I'm just wondering when this scam theory will stop. Will you leave it just for SE, or will you continue and say another company (Click and Buy), then another company (Microsoft), then start saying countries (Japan, USA, UK, etc.) are out there trying to scam money from the "hardworking people of XX countries" (in case you haven't realized, a nation as a whole hasn't been hard working since the 1950s, everyone got lazy at 1960s and 1970s, and started demanding free stuff since then, at least in USA it has been that way).

Yeah, it is some historical political BS, but at least it is verifiable facts. Better than hearing it from a friend (or a friend of a friend of a neighbor of a friend).

Some were paid up to date, and had their content ID cancelled in the billing cycle, and were made to pay to reactivate it when they were not behind in payment, and then made to pay again in order to play. You always pre-pay for your time. If your time runs out and you get locked out, you don't owe them any additional monthly fees other then to prepay for the time you intend to play after activating (small reactivation fee is one thing, but not a full month--but even then, if it is their error, you should not be charged to reactivate) , yet some are having to double pay to get back in. This has been happening in the past, and everyone just kind of shrugged it off as they way they do it. This has continued to happen to some people who were paid in full and switched to crysta and had to pay a month up front when doing so. Then they had to turn around and pay another month--again, double-payment. Maybe it will auto-correct itself in the long run, or maybe they will have to fight SE to get it corrected.

And, I don't think people are asking to get something for free. If anything, they are asking simple to be allowed to pay what they actually owe.

Still don't see how that qualifies me as a tin-foil hat wearer. The simple fact remains that many people are being forced into situations where they are having to pay more then they are required to play the game. This is the result of a shoddy system, that was not thoroughly vetted, and not fully disclosed. It has been laiden with billing errors and questionable fees, has triggered additional fees from financial institutions that customers have never had to pay in order to use SE's service, all of which could have been addressed in advance if the process had been fully vetted. SE was full aware that some options would not be continued to certain users, but did not disclose this information. SE was also aware (or at least should have been aware) of the potential for additional fees that could be imposed on players if they used C&B (as evidenced by past records on the matter, some even generated when they tried to set it up for FFXIV). SE has also long since been aware of the glitch in the system that causes the double-pay situation that is STILL happening. SE is aware of the fact that players have to buy more crysta up front than is required to pay for their accounts, due to the $5 minimum increment situation--and are thus required to pay SE more up front to cover their subscription fees in the short-term. In the short term, it looks like a big money-grab from SE. This just smacks of foul-play at first. That has the appearance of being a "scam", hence it was put in quotes.

Now, lets look at Webster's definition of a scam:

a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

Whether all this was intentional, or just a mere oversight (some may argue differently on some points, as SE has already been made aware of some issues in the past) can be open to debate. Obviously, you have a different take on the situation, but there is no denying that this makes a lot of people feel like they are being taken for a ride, as though they are indeed being "scammed".