Any new HNM coming?

[Michaeluk]

hey, i will be the first to admit, the first time i fought fafnir i was like "OMG IM TANKING FAFNIR"

then after the 150th kill i was like "heh, 8 mins, we can do better next time"



if you SERIOUSLY consider the world pop hnm's to be "hard" and "challenging" then your "hnmls" fails at life and should stop camping in the first place, wait, are you in Kazoku, cause to kazoku adamantoise was serious business

If you are talking about kaz on quetz i was one of the sack holders in there when Tony was around, and we never camped ada before d4. Also i hope they bring hnm back because you're tears are delicious.

[Sureal]

kaz was on quetz cause they got tired of being the joke of bahamut, ask ANYONE on bahamut, i guarantee they will all say the samething

and im gonna go out on a limb here and say the only reason you didnt camp ada was because tony had everything he wanted from aspid, ask all his former minions from bahamut



and for all of you saying you want a "challange" go fight AV, or PW, world pop hnm's are a joke and have been for years

[Natenn]

This Daz guy basically trying to tell me im a bad person for being competitive, i suppose everyone who plays sports are to cause theres always trash talk in something competitive, its a game RELAX. The pop warner type score a TD but get 15 yard penalty on kick off if you celebrate crap really irritates me.

As for never being able to beat a bot on SW/DI, i fought against at least 4 or 5 different LS and positive at least 2 botted since they had ppl where it died last waitin on death spot to move. You can talk botters up all you want i never lost to em, only LS who had ppl who could beat me was Kupo. (Pandemonium days) I never saw botters or heard of em using pos hack to get to NM first, any time i saw it claimed they would die in seconds cause they couldn't hold w/o shadowbind. Send those botters you QQ about to Asura id be happy to camp vs them.

[Dazusu]

If they had people where it died, they were doing it wrong.

Secondly, no one said you were a bad person for being competitive. That's part of why HNM were great - they encouraged competitive play. Good thing. Learn to read.

Finally who is QQing about botters?

[Sureal]

This Daz guy basically trying to tell me im a bad person for being competitive, i suppose everyone who plays sports are to cause theres always trash talk in something competitive, its a game RELAX. The pop warner type score a TD but get 15 yard penalty on kick off if you celebrate crap really irritates me.

As for never being able to beat a bot on SW/DI, i fought against at least 4 or 5 different LS and positive at least 2 botted since they had ppl where it died last waitin on death spot to move. You can talk botters up all you want i never lost to em, only LS who had ppl who could beat me was Kupo. (Pandemonium days) I never saw botters or heard of em using pos hack to get to NM first, any time i saw it claimed they would die in seconds cause they couldn't hold w/o shadowbind. Send those botters you QQ about to Asura id be happy to camp vs them.

lol, cool story bro


you know what, you should sell your services, i mean the makers of all those bots were selling them, DUDE YOU COULD BE RICH, i mean with your mad botter beating skills, oh and by the way, since you sincerly believe that you can beat bots whenever you like, i have some land id like to sell you

[Dazusu]

lol, cool story bro

I like you.

[Natenn]

well not on SW/DI anyway, on small pop area mobs yea but it broke even about. Don't be emo just cause you couldn't claim. I think your just bashing HNM cause you don't wanna lose. Put the haterade away bro.

[Sureal]

lol, get over yourself, i was in one of the top hnmls's on bahamut for a very long time, Apkallu Vendetta, i fought everything enough, and there was no challenge in any of them after the first kill, and trust me, i claimed enough, and ill be the first to admit, i botted, cause you know what, YOU CANNOT RELIABLY BEAT A BOT, let me say this one more time, with emphasis, YOU CANNOT RELIABLY BEAT A BOT, and one more thing, ive heard the, im on ps2, excuse many many times by people who, /GASP, BOT, so im going to take all your posts and narrow them down


"/QQ I BOT AND NOW MY BOTTING DAYS ARE OVER AND I HAVE NOTHING TO DO ANYMORE BECAUSE I DONT HAVE ANY REAL SKILL IN THIS GAME BEYOND BEATING FAFNIR"


world pop nm's, as has been said over and over in this thread, are dumb, they do nothing but reward people who bot, anyone who says different is an idiot.

fighting these nm's was fun, the first few times, then it just got old and tired, being in an hnmls that camped everything i know firsthand, you have no game to play, you have no time to do anything for yourself, your camping hnm's AT least 9 hours a day, cause we all know when faf will pop, last window as always, you want a challenge, like i said, world pop hnms are not it, AV, PW, hell even dynamis lord was more of a "challenge" than any of the hnm's and that was only because you missed a stun and you were done, you miss a stun on faf and you can still kill him without thinking about it


one more time

WORLD POP HNM'S ARE DUMB AND YOU ARE DUMB FOR WANTING MORE OF THEM

kthxbai

[Orson]

You're right, a legitimate player will never outclaim DI/SW vs packet ID scanner, or staggered bots. I don't need anyone to explain to me how they work.

I enjoy the claiming competition and the challenging/rare fights.

There's absolutely no reason both types of player can't be catered for. It was done in the past, it can be done now (Kings : Salvage, as an example).

It's evident that some people really detest the HNM/old end-game scene, and that's fine. It's definitely not for everyone. For those who do enjoy it, letting it die is a shame. Again - no one is asking for Abyssea content to be removed, or for less of such accessible content. Keep it coming; but throwing in the odd HNM every now and then isn't going to hurt anyone.

MMOs in general are designed for people with varying levels of free time - and content available should match that. If you don't have many hours to play - then there should be easily accessible content available. If you are fortunate enough to have more time to play - then there should be tougher content available too.

It doesn't come down to "not having skill to play an FPS", that's just silly. Is it really difficult to believe that some people just enjoy that type of HNM content? We all have our own tastes, likes and dislikes. Don't impose yours upon others.

Ok so let's see would you be fine with them putting in an extremely hard monster that you camped for 1-24 hrs with no spawn window? Then they make it so that if you fought that NM you can't fight the same NM that is instanced that you can pop every day? I'm talking the exact same drops and the exact same challenge just one spawns and one is instanced. You could put out the hardest NM in the game that had a 1-72 hr window and despawned after being up for 3 hrs but if it dropped the same gear as something that took you 1-72 hrs to farm a pop for you'd think this was unfair.

No, you don't like that? Of course you don't because the heart of your competition isn't about fighting over claims it comes from the wish to feel elite by getting the best gear that no else has access to. Sure maybe you couldn't spend quite as much time farming other portions of the game but it didn't block you from enjoying other content. Some players simply just do not have the time to camp stupid NMs that have obscene spawn schedules and putting the best gear on them is a slap in the face to those players.

Basically it's like I said you can't cater to both sides. Everyone actually enjoys playing the game as opposed to watching other people play the game. It will be impossible to find a balanced middle ground between these 2 ways of playing. Given that the majority of players will never get to take advantage of a truly bottlenecked HNM system you have more upset than happy players. So unless you can come up with something that is fair to the rest of the community world spawn style HNMs will never be popular with the majority. If SE does bring them back they will have a massive outrage on their hands to satisfy a tiny group of players.

As for it being about competition. You should realize, that as an individual you are not important when it comes to competing for HNMs. If you really have been claiming the majority of NMs it isn't skill. You're either extremely lucky, the rest of your server sucks, and/or you cheat like crazy. The HNMs you're talking about are just a contest of who has the most free time, the most friends, and the best bots. Argue all you want that it takes skill but you're just deluding yourself. The only thing that might take some skill is holding the NM until the mass army gets their so you can kill it before it rages.

If you actually were looking for challenge then you'd play real sports or games that actually relied on you having a quick reaction time like RTS, PVP, and FPS games. This game is terrible for PVP experiences all it has is the ability to stop other players from enjoying content. Which in most other MMOs is considered griefing!

[Natenn]

You just admitted to botting, breaking ToS on SE official site, great job sir. Apkallu Vendetta? never heard of em. Bar AV i killed everything legitimately when the cap was 75. You need to calm down, all im sayin is id like some new content to compete for. You don't see me all up in abyssea threads damning them do you? Anything worth having is worth fighting for, otherwise everyone would have same gear ect.. Don't sit there and QQ about fairness and then come out and tell me you yourself bot. see: hypocrisy.