Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Korpg]

Keep lying and trolling Korpg. Never once did I say I wanted all of auto-attack to be taken away. That was an invention of your troll logic to keep this argument going.

Also I like how you don't read anything I say. Let me say it again, for the sake of everyone else trying to pay attention and getting caught up in your lies.

1. I only want avatars not to auto-attack sleeping mobs.
2. I do not want the removal of auto-attack on awake mobs.
3. I do not want to remove the ability to use the assault command on sleeping mobs.
4. If told by an avatar to attack a sleeping mob with the Assault command, or if slept is cast on a mob while the avatar is attacking it, the avatar should continue to attack it.

That's right folks. For anyone paying attention, they would realize the only part I want changed is for an avatar who has not been told by the SMN to attack a slept mob to not attack a slept mob. EVERYTHING ELSE STAYS THE SAME AS IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN.

He has no legs to stand on. He wants to argue to argue and will lie to accomplish this. Please join me in saying: Go away troll.

You take away one, you take away all, that is how SE works, you know that, right?

Also, we have the ability to not have the avatars auto-attack the mobs. I'll spell it out for you:

Don't
Be
On
The
Top
Of
The
Hate
List

It is as simple as that.

[Tarage]

You no longer have an argument, yet you continue to argue. You have no more point, yet you continue to push it. No one likes you. Go away troll.

[Byrth]

Okay, so Korpg misunderstood what Tarage is asking for and is stubborn enough to continue insisting that the thing he didn't ask for is a bad idea. Tarage calls him a troll, when really he's just incredibly stubborn and skims before writing posts.

Overall, the nonversation adds nothing to the thread.

[Korpg]

Okay, so Korpg misunderstood what Tarage is asking for and is stubborn enough to continue insisting that the thing he didn't ask for is a bad idea. Tarage calls him a troll, when really he's just incredibly stubborn and skims before writing posts.

Overall, the nonversation adds nothing to the thread.

You are right, I am stubborn. But you have to admit, SE is not going to make it so the avatars won't attack mobs that are slept, because that is not how they roll. Most people know how to get by that, and the main problem isn't avatars attacking slept mobs in the first place. It is the SMN who feels like they have to curebomb to get on top of the hate list.

[Kimble]

Honestly dude, just agree to disagree. Maybe you dont feel you need it but if they were able to make it so your avatar didnt attack a sleeping pet, would that really hurt anymore?

[Byrth]

You are right, I am stubborn. But you have to admit, SE is not going to make it so the avatars won't attack mobs that are slept, because that is not how they roll. Most people know how to get by that, and the main problem isn't avatars attacking slept mobs in the first place. It is the SMN who feels like they have to curebomb to get on top of the hate list.

Eh! If I'm BLM/RDM or BLM/SCH in Einherjar, SMN/WHM has a tier of Cure over me. I'd rather have them heal me after I get beaten on/sleepga than have to Cure 3 myself twice as many times, and it's not hard to argue that casting Cure on me is likely the most useful thing they could be doing at that moment. There are situations where it would be nice for SMN to not have to choose between keeping a pet out (like giving Diabolos's Favor to Black Mages) and being able to heal whoever (like healing Black Mages).

But yeah, I agree that SE is unlikely to ever improve any form of NPC AI.

[hiko]

for avatar auto attack: just add a new command like /autotarget but pet oriented you can turn on-off

[Tarage]

Wonderful ideas. Sadly, people like Korpg will never try to understand anyone else's point of view. Clearly, the people who play differently from him are wrong.

And curebombing isn't required when the only other member on a mob's hate list is a BLM who cast sleepga. It isn't THAT hard to get more hate than them. Two cures?

Three people IN A ROW just told you that they don't agree with you, not including myself. I eagerly await you explaining how they are obviously wrong as well. Your ego is enormous.

I call you a troll because that is what you are doing. You have lost the argument, yet you continue to argue. People have pointed out that you didn't understand what I was asking for, yet you still try to say I'm asking for something I'm not. People play differently than you, yet you go out of your way to say they are playing wrong and your way to play is the one correct way.

Wikipedia has the following definition for troll: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Inflammatory? No. Extraneous? Yes. Off-Topic? Somewhat. The key part is with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Your constant misrepresenting of my points, refusal to admit when you were mistaken, and general egotistical garbage has pulled more than one thread off topic.

I'll say it again. Go away troll.

[Urteil]

Admittedly I haven't read about the past three pages of the thread, and I know for certain that a developer will never post in this thread again especially after that derail.

But are we seriously talking about attacking slept mobs?

This seems like the kind of shit that shouldn't even need to be discussed or for there to be a mechanic for:

1: Don't do it.
2: Don't do it.
3: Unless its the next target to be killed.

4: Tell your pet to stop. . .?

[Urteil]

Wonderful ideas. Sadly, people like Korpg will never try to understand anyone else's point of view. Clearly, the people who play differently from him are wrong.

And curebombing isn't required when the only other member on a mob's hate list is a BLM who cast sleepga. It isn't THAT hard to get more hate than them. Two cures?

Three people IN A ROW just told you that they don't agree with you, not including myself. I eagerly await you explaining how they are obviously wrong as well. Your ego is enormous.

I call you a troll because that is what you are doing. You have lost the argument, yet you continue to argue. People have pointed out that you didn't understand what I was asking for, yet you still try to say I'm asking for something I'm not. People play differently than you, yet you go out of your way to say they are playing wrong and your way to play is the one correct way.

Wikipedia has the following definition for troll: In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Inflammatory? No. Extraneous? Yes. Off-Topic? Somewhat. The key part is with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. Your constant misrepresenting of my points, refusal to admit when you were mistaken, and general egotistical garbage has pulled more than one thread off topic.

I'll say it again. Go away troll.

Troll by far has to be the stupidest internet meme/term/slang/creation, since its conception in Da Vinci's brain while he sailed over the poppy fields in a flying machine.