Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Korpg]

Despite SCH's superior MP conservation, the most efficient set ups preferred BLM for timeframe nukes, AoE, or stun.

Prior to 80, SCH couldn't haste.

Anyone suggesting SCH was overpowered pre-level cap change is a liar or rolls with inefficient (i.e. bad) groups.

I think he meant nukes were just as powerful as BLMs, but cost less for the same nuke (no AMII included).

[Septimus]

I would like Modus Veritas to land every time.

We have intentionally balanced its current effect with the possibility of misses in mind, so we do not plan on going back to the previous effects.

The problem is that Modus Veritas is a trigger ability in Voidwatch. It seems that it is the only trigger job ability that can (and most times will) fail to work.

Wouldn't it be possible to make Modus Veritas a status effect that can only be placed on the mob when there is a helix to prevent other people from using it on the same mob? We can't overwrite Slow or Paralyze, Modus Veritas could be the same way so that it can actually land and SCH could do its Voidwatch procs.

[Yugl]

I think he meant nukes were just as powerful as BLMs, but cost less for the same nuke (no AMII included).

They weren't as powerful as BLMs though. BLM had much more MAB options and higher elemental magic skill (And accuracy mattered back then). In fact, sub RDM, SCH didn't have access to MAB trait II. There really was no contest as far as damage was concerned. MP efficiency is where SCH shined, but as I mentioned, access to stun/AoE/timeframe nukes often outperformed SCH's MP efficiency (Mostly useful during duration fights such as COP Wyrms).

[Sasaraixx]

Lots of "I wants" in that thread.

They are paraphrasing.

To other jobs too, like Dark Knight and Summoner?

There are 20 jobs. Have patience. They will make their rounds to everyone.

Scholars won't be happy until they put white mages and black mages out of business. No concern ever for balance from that job's player base, especially considering how horribly overpowered scholar was at 75.

I don't think you 1) play SCH or 2) have enough exposure to the community to make a statement like that. There are plenty of valid complaints with the job and if you read the forum you would know that. There are also ridiculous requests as well, but you'll find those on every forum as well.

[Raksha]

EDIT: Think I was wrong, carry on.

[Yugl]

Radec came up with the good suggestion of making Modus Veritas land 100% of the time, but suffer duration resistance.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

drk just need to sacrifice all their magic possibilty to become strong DD..

SO give them a new Soul Eater that burns MP instead.

[Merton9999]

Scholars won't be happy until they put white mages and black mages out of business. No concern ever for balance from that job's player base, especially considering how horribly overpowered scholar was at 75.

Yes, actually, the intent of every SCH is specifically to make WHM and BLM obsolete. Well, maybe that's just me - I'd be ecstatic if I never had to look at that hideous WHM AF3 again. It's unbalanced for that to be so ugly. Actually this is unbalanced:

Every day:
Me: Hey LS, I got this great new ability on SCH that could be really useful in Abyssea...
LS: Shut up and stop lying, Mord, go switch to WHM

Lots of "I wants" in that thread.

Curiously, only one of those items was ever discussed at length on the English SCH job board. Just sayin'. Guess which one...

Modus Veritas
I'll wait and see what recast and ease-of-use adjustments are made, but I'm not buying the intentional balance of the ability based on misses. Unless SE is still thinking we're trying to exploit the exponentiation possibility, which, by the way, was obvious from the ability's introduction, and not gimped until years later? Is that even possible given the relatively new window in which MV can land?

Celerity and Alacrity
Slow already affects recast on spells that are used after Celerity and Alacrity. Haste does not. Why would making Haste work with these require Slow to be examined?

Manifestation and Nukes
Is this mistranslated? Has anyone noticed spells used with manifestation to be less potent? Gimped Drains? Resisted/short enfeebles? I thought maybe I just missed it for 4 years but wiki doesn't list this either. My guess is they meant that -ga nukes are reduced per mob affected so the same adjustment would have to be made to manifestation nukes and that will take time???

Accession applying to alliance
Um, lol? Not even I expected this.

[Raksha]

Radec came up with the good suggestion of making Modus Veritas land 100% of the time, but suffer duration resistance.

That would only be useful with MV merits, and even then I'd just rather let it run its normal duration than risk having the duration nerfed.

[Korpg]

They weren't as powerful as BLMs though. BLM had much more MAB options and higher elemental magic skill (And accuracy mattered back then). In fact, sub RDM, SCH didn't have access to MAB trait II. There really was no contest as far as damage was concerned. MP efficiency is where SCH shined, but as I mentioned, access to stun/AoE/timeframe nukes often outperformed SCH's MP efficiency (Mostly useful during duration fights such as COP Wyrms).

Well, you had to get the best possible gear, and they would be just as powerful as moderate geared BLMs at the time. But they were saying at the time that MP usage per damage was better than overall damage, which they had a point (until a BLM comes there and goes /SCH, but at that time that was considered suicide).