Confessions of a Leech

[Panthera]

I always thought the grats thing was stupid to begin with unless you got something special with that lv. Eg. a brd got a new march or ballad, etc DD job got a new JA or a good ws. Most of the time there's not much point in even saying grats anyway.

The point is that they put hours of time and energy into actively partying. It takes patience and a willingness to work with others. Earning a level is an accomplishment; what they got was their level, and you are praising their commitment and achievement. Nothing unintelligent about that, in fact, it's only polite to do so. Far be it from me to have a failure of being polite, I, for one, wasn't brought up that way. If someone AFBs, AFKs or RMTs, I don't see what's to praise.

[Leonlionheart]

The point is that they put hours of time and energy into actively partying. It takes patience and a willingness to work with others. Earning a level is an accomplishment; what they got was their level, and you are praising their commitment and achievement. Nothing unintelligent about that, in fact, it's only polite to do so. Far be it from me to have a failure of being polite, I, for one, wasn't brought up that way. If someone AFBs, AFKs or RMTs, I don't see what's to praise.

High and mighty, doesn't go well over the internet

[Octaviane]

High and mighty, doesn't go well over the internet

All I can say to that is LMAO! The pot calling the kettle.

[Aurara]

It's actually not. We're pointing out that people who play like crap and leveled the normal way were still terrible terrible players, and the people who understand game mechanics can AFB, Abyssea burn, and GoV burn will be better players. Terrible is terrible no matter how you leveled up.

[Leonlionheart]

It's actually not. We're pointing out that people who play like crap and leveled the normal way were still terrible terrible players, and the people who understand game mechanics can AFB, Abyssea burn, and GoV burn will be better players. Terrible is terrible no matter how you leveled up.

See, I don't know what it is, but somehow this message, the brunt of everything I've said in this thread, goes unheard to anyone who doesn't agree.

OK imagine this: Why do people go to school? So they can learn right? But it's more than that, it's to learn in a designated environment, so that you can get ahead of the people who don't get an education.

On the other hand, you can skip school entirely and just go out there and work to get experience in whatever field you want.

They both work, but I think that going to school brings in a little bit more money in the end. Going to school starts you out in a higher position faster than not going to school.

In the same way you can leech and burn your job to 90, and as long as you've done your research and learned your job it doesn't matter that you start really playing the job at 90. This is actually prefered anyway, because the introduction of some abilities are huge game changers for that job, and you can get better practice using them in conjunction with high level abilities in the first place.(See: Sneak Attack, Trick Attack, Assassinate, Meditate, Counterstance, Afflatus Solace/Miser, Retaliation, Restoring Breath, the list goes on.)

If you don't do research and know what gear you should be using, when you should be using your JA, WS, ETC, then you're probably going to be a bad player no matter what. It's not like you can eyeball what is better: Bullwhip or Goading?You'd probably never know without a parse/reading it online/being told.

[Seyrena]

Seyrena... Don't take this personally but you remind me of a welfare recipient..."I just sit back and collect a check".. You milk a system that has good in mind, namely helping those truly down on their luck. You rationalize you contrary behavior as does the criminal in prison whose always "innocent" and lays the blame elsewhere.

In general, I couldn't care less if your a "leech" but then you come on these boards and are proud of this fact. I feel sorry for you and for all the people exposed to your personality. To sum it up...

...you enjoy playing this game, BY NOT PLAYING THIS GAME! Pathetic.

Just wanna say: I LIKE this reply! This is exactly what I was looking for, some opposition that is not 'LOL FAST EXP IS BAD GO DIAF'. Though it's not completely legitimate, much of your argument is valid and it is fairly delicious.

Contrary as my behavior may be, I never lie about it. I will tell parties straight out what my intentions are, and let them decide whether they want me in. Usually, they just don't care. I have only ever been turned away once. Sure, I'll look for altruistic outcomes as always, but don't we all? I'm just trying to make the best of a new system that has been put in place, and so far, I've been succeeding drastically. I've found that the only people opposed to my style are the old veterans who are die-hard in the belief that hard EXP is the only good EXP.

By the way, the difference between welfare recipients and leeches is that welfare recipients largely give nothing back to society, whereas I provide entire magnitudes of benefit as a result of my leeching.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Actually no. They ask to get into my parties (I was leader 90% of the time across 20 jobs), or ask if I happen to making them, because I was a stickler for good setups and checked everyone to make sure they had good gear. I knew about camps that some didn't. With a good setup, PLs aren't needed at all.

That's the kind of person that ends up on my blacklist to thinking they can tell people what to do. lol
It's not a matter of not needing a PL, it's a matter of expiditing the lvling proccess which in itself has nothing to do with the other content of the game that makes it worth playing.

[Seyrena]

That's the kind of person that ends up on my blacklist to thinking they can tell people what to do. lol
It's not a matter of not needing a PL, it's a matter of expiditing the lvling proccess which in itself has nothing to do with the other content of the game that makes it worth playing.

I suppose, in the end, it comes down to a conflict of what people value in FFXI: the grind or the content?

[Zagen]

I would say that having to work for your exp and not having to work for exp are quite different. If you think that those two things are the same, by all means, please explain.

Is your position that 6 lower level guys fighting one higher level mob is the same as +6 guys higher level guys fighting against one lower level mob for Tome Exp, as this is what the OP is discussing--and he is afk, are the same thing? Now and then are the same thing. Hmmm.

Here's the thing if you suck at the game, refuse to better yourself, all that happens in the old method is you took longer to get to 75. You weren't magically prevented from getting there.

In the new system if you suck at the game, refuse to better yourself, all that happens is you're required to beg friends to let you leech (assuming you have friends), come up with gil to pay a leech party, or some how get cruor to be a key person.

In both situations the sucky player gets delayed, in neither situation do they get prevented from getting to a level cap. This is my stance, new or old gimps still got to level cap at a slower rate than good players.

And guess what those good players don't associate with those sucky players once they find out they suck, at least I don't, dunno about you.

I'd rather be out farming gear, killing new NMs than sitting there grinding EXP.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I suppose, in the end, it comes down to a conflict of what people value in FFXI: the grind or the content?

True. But faster grind is still grind. ^^