Confessions of a Leech

[Juri_Licious]

With the logic in this thread, we should automatically start out at max level.

[Reiterpallasch]

With the logic in this thread, we should automatically start out at max level.

Agreed! Gimps will be gimp no matter how fast/slow they get to max lvl. A good player can learn the job whether they start from the bottom and grind to the top, or are simply handed a lvl 90.

[Dragoy]

One might compare leveling afk to botting, since one would not be actually playing the character.
Basically it is the same thing, just not by using third party software.

To make a few things clear, I am not accusing anyone of cheating here, or speaking of anyone in particular.
I'm merely playing with the thought of leveling up a character while being afk and not actually even playing the game.

I am actually a little bit surprised that the game does not have a feature that would halt any kind of progress of levels be it skill or experience points if the character would not perform any actions for a certain amount of time.
Some other games (not surprisingly) do.

In the end, I do not care how other people play, at all.
If I did care about every cheater and 'flamer' and such, I would probably go crazy.
Instead, I leave them be, and enjoy my time as I please, instead of wasting my effort and time for anything else. ^^

I personally do not like 'leeching', and I have actually gained a few levels at 71 to 75 I think for my Thief one night with a 'cleave-party', and I was actually afk that time too, sleeping.
I did lure monsters to under the cleave for uhhh, 8-13 hours I think? With a level 90 character no less, basically getting only cruor from it, so I didn't feel bad at all for getting some experience points for another job as an 'end-reward'.

So no, I don't judge people for 'leeching' or tell them they are baaaad and suck at the game because of it.
I would probably vote for a higher level limit for Abyssea, definitely, and would agree to a non-leechosure (a what now) agreement, and would not complain about it not being possible anymore.


Oh, and I also have helped a friend or few at times by killing things for Dominion for example, no matter what level they are at (usually 60+ I think), and leveling up them this way. They never were afk though, and did do what they could.

I don't really mind this kind of a development of the game, but I do miss the regular partying a little bit even though I never really did it much at all, mostly before the Fields of Valor was introduced. I only ever had like 3 parties at the ToaU areas for example, mostly leveling in Campaign after level 60 or so, and before that, lots of FoV... lots.


But I'm probably rambling now, so here's a short version and the end:

Afk-leveling is a bit hmmm, I rather play the game myself, than let others play it for me, but I do not judge or really care at all if other players do it. I don't estimate their experience on the game-content or their skills to play the game by it either.
That said, I am not for it, nor exactly against it... I guess I just don't care. :F

I wouldn't probably allow it in my game, though.

[Zagen]

One might compare leveling afk to botting, since one would not be actually playing the character.
Basically it is the same thing, just not by using third party software.

To make a few things clear, I am not accusing anyone of cheating here, or speaking of anyone in particular.
I'm merely playing with the thought of leveling up a character while being afk and not actually even playing the game.

I am actually a little bit surprised that the game does not have a feature that would halt any kind of progress of levels be it skill or experience points if the character would not perform any actions for a certain amount of time.
Some other games (not surprisingly) do.

As far as I know and everyone I've ever spoken to about "botting" the term is used for/defined as using a script/program to automatically do a given task(s) for you, as you're using real people to get the exp that would not be "botting", while similar in the out come they are different due to the difference between a script/program and a human being.

I've been a leech and I play/gear those jobs better than a large portion of the player base.

I also run leech parties, I take no responsibility for a bad player, it is their choice on how they play their game, if they want to leech and then actively refuse to learn how to properly play the game by not skilling up relevant skills, not buying needed spells, etc. That is their decision and not mine.

I don't care how a random player gets a job up to 90 as long as they know how to play that job who cares? Gimps have and will always exist that is a fact.

[Dragoy]

As far as I know and everyone I've ever spoken to about "botting" the term is used for/defined as using a script/program to automatically do a given task(s) for you, as you're using real people to get the exp that would not be "botting", while similar in the out come they are different due to the difference between a script/program and a human being.

You are absolutely correct. I might have been able to be more clear about that I was not saying they are the same thing that way, at all.
As I said, I was merely playing with the thought of leveling up a character while being away, and/or not actually playing the game, which is what using 'bots' can do and is one of their most used purpose in online-games.

While we're at it, in a sense, it could be compared to account sharing as well which enables a character to level up faster due to more players working on it but again, without the actual sharing part which is prohibited.


I'll say it again just to make sure it's clear: I'm not saying they are the same thing, but merely comparing the hows and whys as well as playing with the thoughts and how one could see them. ^^;

On that note, I can't say if the developers intended for this kind of 'leeching' to be possible in the first place (as I mentioned earlier, often games will require your character to perform certain actions, to be active, to be eligible for the rewards).
Then again, setting the minimum level required to enter Abyssea is basically asking for just that, so I would guess they think it's fine, and indeed intended.

I would not be surprised if they did restrict it somehow in the future, though it's probably quite unlikely.


Just some (more) thoughts~

[Aurara]

Taking this quiz for fun and to make a point :P


1)Multiple times
2) 6 manned it at 75, duo'd at 90
3) Caedarva Mire, past the graveyard where you turn in items for mythic.
4) Yep, i hate this mob
5) 5 jobs, thf war blm rdm cor at 75. At 90 i have 12: thf war blm rdm cor brd whm nin blu mnk smn rng
6) Did SATA til 60 then lulz tpburn!!!
7) Was there anything else to do? Aside from puddings in Mtz or Aerns in sea lol?
8th and Final) Nope.


The point is, if you're bad and you leveled the normal way, you're still bad. If you're good and level the normal way you're going to be good. If you're bad and abysseaburn you're going to be bad, and if you're good and abyssea burn you're going to be good.

[Seyrena]

The point is, if you're bad and you leveled the normal way, you're still bad. If you're good and level the normal way you're going to be good. If you're bad and abysseaburn you're going to be bad, and if you're good and abyssea burn you're going to be good.

[True Strike]
It's the same with WoW. If you get carried to 85 and you're good, you'll be good. If you get carried to 85 and you're bad, you'll be bad.

[Zatias]

I myself don't leech and probably never will. That doesn't mean I resent people who do; if they choose to leech, good for them. If not, good for them. >.>

Just don't show up in one of the parties who needs you to have all blue mage trigger spells ;P

[Leonlionheart]

Irrelevant of the way you leveled, if you show up to one of my PUGs (on content that's harder than Brobek) with less spells/gear than I think you should have, I will kick you.

[Octaviane]

On the subject of PL, just cracks me up to see a Rank 7, level 14 DD ( WAR/um........either DNC or NIN) with a PL in Dangruf Wadi doing GoV page 2. I guess the point is get it done fast with someone who can heal you every time you take a hit. Sad.