Job Adjustments manifesto Discussion

[Malamasala]

Does anyone else find it rather ironic and insulting that SE has such a huge boner for DRK casting magic, and they haven't even pulled down the zipper on their pants so to speak:

And given us magic attack bonus I?

Just sayin'.

That is because they still haven't understood why DRKs are so dumb that they do not sub BLM for it.

The fact that the collective (or as you call it, "people") decreed our melee as useless in a party is enough of an indication of where we stand. Otherwise we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

People are dumb. Which makes it tempting to say anyone against melee is dumb, except it isn't a full truth. It is however extreme stupidity to say "Extra 400 damage for free is bad for the party" when talking about bringing someone who doesn't do 2k damage to the mob. Melee is only bad if it means you are skipping something vital. Like a RDM giving completely up on Haste spells to melee.

The arguments that someone does only a little damage is just so silly when in the end it is ADDITIONAL damage. Might as well say that BRDs are pointless, because they don't do any damage, they only add a small amount of damage to each party member.

[Leonlionheart]

Does anyone else find it rather ironic and insulting that SE has such a huge boner for DRK casting magic, and they haven't even pulled down the zipper on their pants so to speak:

And given us magic attack bonus I?

Just sayin'.

After discussing it so much...

I have no idea what SE could possibly want for DRK.

"Here guys have a FREAKING AWESOME GREATSWORD WITH A WS WORTH USING EVEN THOUGH IT DON'T CRIT"

"Here guys, have a 3minute long, 25% JOB ABILITY haste ability, so you can get TP super fast."

"Guys we think it's about time you stopped WSing all together. Auto-Attacks is where DRK is at."

[Leonlionheart]

That is because they still haven't understood why DRKs are so dumb that they do not sub BLM for it.

what the...

I...

I don't know if I...

Can handle how stupid this comment is.

As for SMN melee, the problems are:

TP Feed to the NM (YES THIS IS A PROBLEM. THIS IS WHY MNK+WHM DUO IS EASIER THAN ALL OF YOU RTARDS ATTACKING THE MOB.)
SMN Survivability
SMN not providing the support that it should.

[Duelle]

Melee is only bad if it means you are skipping something vital. Like a RDM giving completely up on Haste spells to melee.

This is assuming the class has to do the same things it does in the back row while front-lining. I've already covered that it's not possible and takes away from the point of being in the front.

what the...
I...
I don't know if I...
Can handle how stupid this comment is.

I'm guessing you're not getting the vibe of Mala's comment being his way of making fun of how the developers think, right? Sad as it may be, if someone came up and told me this is the devs' counter argument to the DRKs complaining about their part of the manifesto, I would feel inclined to believe them.

[Sparthos]

People are dumb. Which makes it tempting to say anyone against melee is dumb, except it isn't a full truth. It is however extreme stupidity to say "Extra 400 damage for free is bad for the party" when talking about bringing someone who doesn't do 2k damage to the mob. Melee is only bad if it means you are skipping something vital. Like a RDM giving completely up on Haste spells to melee.

The arguments that someone does only a little damage is just so silly when in the end it is ADDITIONAL damage. Might as well say that BRDs are pointless, because they don't do any damage, they only add a small amount of damage to each party member.

/facepalm

By meleeing, you're putting yourself in danger of being killed or taking damage which requires the healer to split up resources further. Battles where SMN shine also happen to be battles where getting close means being subject to AOE damage.

You can melee trash mobs if you want in Abyssea and im pretty fond of Garland of Bliss (sooooooo sparkly) myself but really it comes down to:

"Is my crap damage worth hitting this mob?"

For SMN, the answer is usually no.

Dont even bring up BRD. Elegy is one of the most potent debuffs in the game and Marches/Carols/Threnodies/Ballads are worth more than any amount of crappy dagger melee.

I have a melee set for BRD but it surely won't be used outside Abyssea because with 3 songs to keep perpetually up, I just don't have the time.

[Korpg]

For SMN, the answer is always no.

Fixed that for you.

I mean, given the choice between a melee SMN and...well, anything else. Which would you rather have?

[Leonlionheart]

Fixed that for you.

I mean, given the choice between a melee SMN and...well, anything else. Which would you rather have?

SMN haste mule, can hastega his party and just rotate haste on everyone else in the alliance. Would probably prove to be more useful than anything and mp conservative if the SMN was competent enough to do it.

[Korpg]

SMN haste mule, can hastega his party and just rotate haste on everyone else in the alliance. Would probably prove to be more useful than anything and mp conservative if the SMN was competent enough to do it.

Yeah, but that mule isn't meleeing, are they?

That is the point in the argument. SMN isn't there as a melee, but as a buffer. If the SMN was there as a melee, they can be replaced by another job very easy.

[Leonlionheart]

That's what I'm saying, I can't see myself inviting a SMN melee to anything.

[Supersun]

I think you are missing his point.

You aren't inviting a summoner to melee. You are inviting him to do summoner things.
His meleeing simply supplies him with a virtually endless MP supply.

The only issue is that White Mage has been able to this since Mystic Boon and the same reason they aren't in the front wacking things for unlimited MP are the same reasons a Summoner shouldn't be...well maybe minus the enmity issues.