WoEs

[scaevola]

lol, I like how you completely skipped over what I said.

What is there to say to it? If you're bringing so many people to WoE that you can't accommodate a random soloer ranking, you're wasting time when you could using that manpower to make an Empyrean instead. Your poor resource management skills are not a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Personally, I think the best solution would be to do away with this silly ranking system entirely and give everybody the loot, but that's apparently not on the table, so.

[Cream_Soda]

What is there to say to it? If you're bringing so many people to WoE that you can't accommodate a random soloer ranking, you're bringing too many people anyway. The solution is to stop wasting your friends' time and go with fewer, not throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Not really, I always go with the lowest number of people to safely do the run. That being said, if it's people I know who are capable of doing their jobs well, we clear #2 with three people. If I'm shouting for pick up people and don't know their competency and skill levels, I go with 5 for safety.

In the 3 man runs, rly don't care about ranking everyone ranks, but they're still lotting drops from boss mobs they are unable to solo on their own, not just the monsters they can kill solo and also lotting drops from the ending chest, which they would not have ever seen without the group in there.




Either way you look at it, my point still stands. We shouldn't have to accommodate for a "soloist" if he wants to solo so bad, then why doesn't he actually just solo then?

Again, we have no problems with waiting for them if they want to go first, the point is they sit there and specifically wait for you to go in. That is leeching.

People who complain about "leeches" are really complaining about people like me: soloers perfectly capable of killing mobs for coins who would themselves would prefer that they could do so alone and in peace.

So, again, exactly what you skipped out on. My response is that if someone "prefers" to solo, why do they specifically wait for a group to go in to follow? Because they want more drops than they are capable of soloing on their own.

[scaevola]

Not really, I always go with the lowest number of people to safely do the run. That being said, if it's people I know who are capable of doing their jobs well, we clear #2 with three people.

Then the "leecher" can only help you complete the run faster. Don't tell me you're upset because you have to lot against him on the 2 or 3 coins that might drop over the course of the run when you're capable of finishing the run for purses.

If I'm shouting for pick up people and don't know their competency and skill levels, I go with 5 for safety.

Then go with 4, and you'll never have this problem again.

In the 3 man runs, rly don't care about ranking everyone ranks, but they're still lotting drops from boss mobs they are unable to solo on their own, not just the monsters they can kill solo and also lotting drops from the ending chest, which they would not have ever seen without the group in there.

So sometimes leeches win semi-worthless boss drops from easy events (that are tagged rare anyway) that you can spam once an hour with no restrictions. Clearly grounds to restrict access for everybody via a reservation system.

Either way you look at it, my point still stands. We shouldn't have to accommodate for a "soloist" if he wants to solo so bad, then why doesn't he actually just solo then?

Nor should the soloist have to accommodate you. He's playing by the rules in your scenario and he would most certainly be soloing if you weren't there, horning in on his only viable path to an Empyrean weapon skill. If this offends you, you are free to pursue your Empyrean weapon skill by farming amber lights like a person who values his time and leave the soloer to mind his own business.

Again, we have no problems with waiting for them if they want to go first, the point is they sit there and specifically wait for you to go in. That is leeching.

If you're talking about confluxes 1 and 3, which are the easiest confluxes and the only ones most in which most soloers can effectively operate, well, you basically took his mobs and have zero sympathy from me when you could have just gone to a different flux.

And you're almost certainly talking about 1 and 3, because you're complaining that people do this to you.

Whether or not it's a waste of time, the point still stands. The people I'm calling leechers are the ones who specifically wait for groups to enter just to follow them. Not to be confused with people who do go in on their own and actually solo, without trying to gain the spoils of w/e group that has entered.

1) the point does not stand if grouping in woe is a waste of time, because if it's a waste of time it means you're playing the game wrong

2) if you enter conflux 1 or 3 in particular as a group you cannot be offended when solo players enter after you, because they have no other options. you could always go to a different conflux, but you specifically choose the easiest ones because they are, well, the easiest.

3) if your group is in conflux 3 and i am ready to go, you had better be damn sure i will be zoning in to 3, fighting mobs, and lotting on every coin that drops. what is my alternative?