ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Qtipus]

Not everyone has a setup going for them where they can reach that level of efficiency and you're thinking unrealistically if you think that's how it is. Technically you could finish the relic in the blink of an eye if you had capped gil ready and waiting. That doesn't mean relics aren't hard. Also, don't ignore the NM stage (many of them are glitched to hell and take like 16 hours) and the HORRIBLE VNM stage that's unfun incarnate. But whatever, empyrean owners do nothing to earn their weapons in your mind, I forgot. Also, there's SO much fighting involved in getting a relic now'a'days. Sit and craft then go fight a floating weapon and some fomors. Big whoop.

I'm working on Excalibur too and there's none of the frustration or drama involved, it's all very clear what has to be done to finish it. I don't pay 140,000 gil (only 1 NM by the way, not the full popset or even close) thinking I'll get 2 buds just to get 1 and don't have to compete with 2 or 3 other people for my o pieces. I can't go buy these chloris leaf buds, unless you want to count paying like 500k to get one popset done, which isn't very logical. Not to mention the way people treat eachother when FCing the bats.

But nope, everyone has a full party of emp owners and has it down to a science, we're all the most elite endgame LS in the game who you're referencing and don't have to take turns working on other peoples weapons.

I love how relic owners think Empyreans should just be completely overlooked in this set of buffs just because of ukon/almace/vere when its obvious some of the formulas for certain empyrean WS need tweaking to be worth a damn and not just have the weapon exist for double damage aftermath.

Well first, I never actually stated, nor believe, that some Emps don't need tweaking. SE didn't do anything different with the Emps over their Relic/Mythic counterparts. Some are awesome, some suck. That's just the way of SE.

And you're working on Excalibur. Great. Sure you could have finished that in the blink of an eye if you had approximately 225 million gil laying around, but odds are you don't nor are there very many people who think a relic is worth that much. It doesn't compare. Anyone can do an Emp, start to finish (NMs included), in a couple weeks.

As for what it takes to actually get a relic. Yeah, I sat around and crafted a lot. Yeah I did a lot of dynamis farming. I did a nice combination of both working through a system we put in place with our linkshell to buy coins at a heavily discounted rate (often times 100-200k/per 100). But here's the great thing. That "horrible VNM stage" you went through? Yeah I finished all 3 VNM trials in about the same amount of time it took to finish up getting a fragment and paper for the relic.

So just to recount:

Relic: ~225 million (based off needing approximately 18000 coins of varying types), paper, fragment, 6 other trials requiring 1200 killshots, 200 more uses of the relic WS itself and 5 more paper NM kills.

Emp: 6 NM camping trials (21 NMs), 3 VNM trials (20 force-pop NMs), 175 various NM items. No gil required.

And Mythics are worse than all of that.

The efficiency of my linkshell isn't what's in question here with you. What's in question is "Can you finish 14 relics in a month and a half?" The short answer to that is "No." The long answer is "F*** no." I'm not saying Relics should be better than Emps, I'm perfectly happy they put trials at the end of them to upgrade them further (which is another counter to your whole "don't forget about the whole NM camping" bit, ever actually tried getting killshots with a relic WS?). What I am saying is, don't come out here crying about the lack of attention from the community team over something so easy to get. There's a reason why nearly 4600 emps showed up in a year against a drop of nearly 2100 Lv.75 relics between censuses.

[Rearden]

ITT: People without Relics/Mythics/Emps troll everyone else.

[Andrien]

So what would happen to all the players that spent all that time getting their relics? Fk them? Nice.

If they like clinging on to old content then so be it. I've seen people replacing their Excalibur and Aegis. All I'm saying is content from 5-6 years ago should not be the top of the list.

New content: Level 90 versions of those weapons.

Get over it, they should be better under your own argument, because they're new. They also take more effort/time.

inb4 the stale "no, everyone just buys gil to get them" so-called "argument".

That is true, but I wont change my mind about relics. The same goes with empyrean upgrades. They'll all get some baseline adjustment with upgraded augments. Now I have a hunch, Lv99 will bring forth ultimate weapons that should respectfully trump everything else to balance out that content. Just a guess.

[MarkovChain]

Emps aren't hard work. When you can finish 14 of them in a month and a half like our linkshell did, that's not hard. That's what I call a gift. Even now, SE has gone out of their way to make acquiring said Emps easier (re: Guku, Tunga, etc KIs in gold boxes, more gold boxes/zone, multiple ???s for the NMs themselves) and it was a month and half to do 14 of them before those changes.

I always find it hilarous that guys like you come on forums to make pseudo-elitism comments and explain us how they can "easily" build an empyrean in 3 days, while if you dig a little and check their FFXIAH equipment history, you find the first reference of Verethragna
at the date of [2011-05-16 07:29:43]. In other words :

(1) The level 80 verethragna took you 11 months to build.
(2) Getting the level 90 one took you at least 6 months to get

We are far from the 3 days period. Looks like some people are slower than others.

[Coldbrand]

I agree. I'm not arguing anything other than emps are currently, as a whole, better than the whole of relics. Wish12oz says relics don't need more upgrades. I disagree. It doesn't really matter though since we were just told we are getting more.

Annhilator is better than Armageddon outside abyssea.

[MarkovChain]

Relic: ~225 million (based off needing approximately 18000 coins of varying types), paper, fragment, 6 other trials requiring 1200 killshots, 200 more uses of the relic WS itself and 5 more paper NM kills.

Relic = 50 dynamis runs don't need money. That's 100 hours.
Empyrean = 30 hours for chloris, 10 hours for ulhuadshi, 6 hours for dragua, it is only about twice faster.

The trials for 75>90 (for relics) are about half as painful as getting to the chloris stage.

[wish12oz]

could I ask you kindly, to please provide at few Parses to support this claim?

I ask because of two reasons,

1, I'm not a fan of eyeballing, and i hope someone making a bold claim would have evidence to support it, because Eyeballed averages rarely stack up to realistic parsing.

2, the bigger reason, I've been looking into Ukon and Bravura, any data related to them is appreciated.

Thank you in advanced. (if you have at least 10 separate parses it would be lovely, The larger data the better. outside abyssea content only, preferably Voidwatch)

1600-2000 is a good average on overly hard mobs, 3400-3800 on weak stuff and is what I regularly parse in einherjar.

[MarkovChain]

how much do you parse on Buble Berny ? Who cares about einherjar ? How much do you parse on Arch DL ?

[wish12oz]

how much do you parse on Buble Berny ? Who cares about einherjar ? How much do you parse on Arch DL ?

I believe I covered that in my other post that you somehow failed to read.

EDIT: I'll just repost it for you, but seriously, I typed 1 sentence, how do you fail so much you can't remember the first half of it?

1600-2000 is a good average on overly hard mobs

[Rearden]

Relic = 50 dynamis runs don't need money. That's 100 hours.
Empyrean = 30 hours for chloris, 10 hours for ulhuadshi, 6 hours for dragua, it is only about twice faster.

The trials for 75>90 (for relics) are about half as painful as getting to the chloris stage.

Everything you post is garbage but...these numbers are generally correct if you're doing them in a large group. Dyna and Emps take more time with less people, especially in instances like Chloris/Glavoid where there's really no difference in the amount of time it takes to farm 4-6 pops as it does to farm 10+ pops.

Add on to that that Glavoid usually takes a decent amount of time to kill just because he is annoying, whereas Chloris goes down really quick.