ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Atomic_Skull]

Kannagi is the only empyrean that is always better then its relic and mythic counterparts.
THE ONLY ONE.
Even Ukon is outparsed by its relic counterpart on high tier voidwatch mobs, AND it gives -20% damage taken! And higher tier NMs is the type of stuff SE is going to be adding now that abyssea is over, you all need to get over the idea that relics are broken and weak, because they are not, only 1 is completely terrible compared to its empyrean counterpart, Kikoku, and ninja is a dead job for anything slightly difficult, so it doesn't even matter unless they fix ninja.

Our Ukon WARs average 2200-3500k outside abyssea, not to mention double damage procs. You can keep repeating that relics are better outside Abyssea as much as you want but that won't make it true.

[Kenthedeviant]

Apologies for making you wait for some more info on this topic.

You might be surprised, but even though the July version update has just taken place, the dev. team has already begun work on the next version update and we checked with the lead dev. about the latest status.

There are currently no changes to the adjustment plans that were announced previously. Based on this, we are planning to add continuations to Trial of the Magians for relic/mythic/empyrean weapons to go along with the level cap increase.

We took a look at all the requests for stats on relics and mythics and understand your ideas, so in addition to enhancing the original DMG and special stats, we are checking to see whether we can add some special properties to them. (Currently, exactly what those properties will be and how they will be added is still up in the air.)

I"m not sure why we'd be surprised, as the roadmap for updates says that the level cap increase major version update is slated for august. Has this changed? Please update us as to whats going on, I'm sure hundreds of players woudl like to know.

[Garota]

Apologies for making you wait for some more info on this topic.

You might be surprised, but even though the July version update has just taken place, the dev. team has already begun work on the next version update and we checked with the lead dev. about the latest status.

There are currently no changes to the adjustment plans that were announced previously. Based on this, we are planning to add continuations to Trial of the Magians for relic/mythic/empyrean weapons to go along with the level cap increase.

We took a look at all the requests for stats on relics and mythics and understand your ideas, so in addition to enhancing the original DMG and special stats, we are checking to see whether we can add some special properties to them. (Currently, exactly what those properties will be and how they will be added is still up in the air.)

So I have understood all this is saying is,

"You'll never guess what! We're not going to deviate from that Road Map we showed you. So obviously, our dev. team hasn't bothered with making any adjustments to the acquisition of Mythic weapons. They're just going to focus on the suckers who put effort into making these weapons and the lucky bastards who are going to win them in the upcoming bonanza. Keep dreaming losers!"

[Kimble]

I think it was more that he meant that they are still planning to make changes to relics because people (Kiba mainly) kept posting in this thread every day whinning and crying about getting an update and assumed that SE had gone against their word and were no longer going to update relics.

[Bumbeen]

I cannot wait to see the changes. ***

[Karbuncle]

Our Ukon WARs average 2200-3500k outside abyssea, not to mention double damage procs.

could I ask you kindly, to please provide at few Parses to support this claim?

I ask because of two reasons,

1, I'm not a fan of eyeballing, and i hope someone making a bold claim would have evidence to support it, because Eyeballed averages rarely stack up to realistic parsing.

2, the bigger reason, I've been looking into Ukon and Bravura, any data related to them is appreciated.

Thank you in advanced. (if you have at least 10 separate parses it would be lovely, The larger data the better. outside abyssea content only, preferably Voidwatch)

[Insaniac]

Of course its tilted logic? It has to be a very specific set of circumstances for bravura to win, its just that those circumstances are probably about to become real common. And it's mainly the acc that pushes Bravura ahead.

What I mean is you are tilting things to try and make your point. My only experience fighting T4 voidwalkers is on DRG and I had 0 acc issues. But thats DRG so idk. I don't see our Almace PLDs having much trouble with acc either though.

No, I'm not forgetting ODD, and its also not that high for emps/low for relics

It's that high for emps and yes relics may be higher now. I haven't checked my mandau since the magian trials but it used to be 4-5%.

It doesn't average that much below Ukkos on very hard stuff.

It really does.

It's 30% @ 100tp

Well there you go. Add w/e crit+ gear you have on for probably around 40%and then factor in bloodrage. We both know a crit Ukko's destroys metatron and a non crit does pretty much the same. Not hard to figure out what WS is gonna avg higher.

Most people with relics and empyreans aren't very good players, heck, most players aren't very good players. You'll forgive me if I ignore your my friend this and that, when I know very competant people and thats what Im basing this on.

Maybe your friends suck? I don't really need to take your word for it either. You aren't gonna change your mind no matter what I tell you I just like pointing out when people post nonsense.

It is actually, there is no time ever when Kikoku is better then Kannagi, but I can give you a set of circumstances when every other empyrean isn't best.

Indulge me.

No idea what you're saying here, but the lvl 90 relic WS's gain a 25% bonus to damage, and theyre all at least competitive with emp WS's at some point, except polearm, drakes bane is way to good compared to everything else offered.

At some point = almost never. If you own both in almost all situations you are gonna be using your emp. My point is a lot of relics don't even get to use their WS because there is a vanilla WS that everyone gets that is better but almost all emps get to use their WS in 99% of situations. With the ftp increase at 90 a lot of the relic WSs caught up with the standard WSs but how is that good? It's a step in the right direction but it's far from balanced.

Mandau is always better then Twash, what about dagger?

I forgot to add dagger to the list of emps that don't use their WS 100% of the time but that's because of the timers on SATA (<-and position requirements) and Climactic flourish so it's not really the same. Mandau doesn't get to MS 100% of the time either for the same reasons.

[Unctgtg]

Here is a novel concept, how about we wait til August when the new stuff comes out to see. NOONE saw the 25% damage increase coming for relics at level 90. Was only after someone got the 90 and tested it.

[Insaniac]

Here is a novel concept, how about we wait til August when the new stuff comes out to see. NOONE saw the 25% damage increase coming for relics at level 90. Was only after someone got the 90 and tested it.

I agree. I'm not arguing anything other than emps are currently, as a whole, better than the whole of relics. Wish12oz says relics don't need more upgrades. I disagree. It doesn't really matter though since we were just told we are getting more.

[Unctgtg]

In my mind, a weapon that is 140 damage should be doing far more damage then a weapon that is 126, but this is ffxi where nothing is normal.