ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

[Andrien]

Old content from dynamis should never be considered the best weapons for so many years in my opinion. Out with the old in with the new they say. Can only wait and see.

[MarkovChain]

but for hard mobs, outside abyssea, Bravura is SLIGHTLY better damage, and makes you take 20% less damage so it ends up being vastly superior.

Lolz. Only BG trolls would think that taking 20% less damage is anywhere close to "vastly superior" seeing as outside of abyssea cure V systematically caps your HP, and cure VI, well... lol. 20% HP boost would be interesting but 20% damage taken who cares, unless you make it a point curing with a PLD or something retarded.

WHM makes any kind of defensive of min/maxing useless unless mobs can one shot you systematically. Secondly the current content of outside is easy super easy (dynamis) or super useless (void watch, useless rewards = ZNM II).

[Jerynh]

Old content from dynamis should never be considered the best weapons for so many years in my opinion. Out with the old in with the new they say. Can only wait and see.

So what would happen to all the players that spent all that time getting their relics? Fk them? Nice.

[Zyeriis]

Old content from dynamis should never be considered the best weapons for so many years in my opinion. Out with the old in with the new they say. Can only wait and see.

New content: Level 90 versions of those weapons.

Get over it, they should be better under your own argument, because they're new. They also take more effort/time.

inb4 the stale "no, everyone just buys gil to get them" so-called "argument".

[MarkovChain]

So what would happen to all the players that spent all that time getting their relics? Fk them? Nice.

The same that will happen to the players that spent all that time getting an empyrean. They will get baseline improvements that make all weapons on par (mythic/relics/empyrean) and release new content that will invalidate anything you did so far. AF3 will also be thrown to the trash obviously, plus they already hinted toward this by saying they want to force players to farm various situational gear in the next endgame events.

[wish12oz]

Lolz. Only BG trolls would think that taking 20% less damage is anywhere close to "vastly superior" seeing as outside of abyssea cure V systematically caps your HP, and cure VI, well... lol. 20% HP boost would be interesting but 20% damage taken who cares, unless you make it a point curing with a PLD or something retarded.

WHM makes any kind of defensive of min/maxing useless unless mobs can one shot you systematically. Secondly the current content of outside is easy super easy (dynamis) or super useless (void watch, useless rewards = ZNM II).

OMGZ 1 weapon does more damage then another and gives -20% damage, its totally junk right? GTFO trollchan.
Theres also lots of good drops from voidwatch, if you weren't so terrible at FFXI you would know that.

[Insaniac]

Metatron from 90 bravura does more than Ukkos without crits, which you wont be capped ddex on high tier NMs so you wont get lots of crits, and you don't have all that +crit damage you have in abyssea, and with bravura you can use meat and keep capped acc on such mobs, with ukon you have to give up a bit to keep acc capped. That tips everything into Bravuras favor for hard NMs. If they gave us razed ruins all the time, Ukon would win, but for hard mobs, outside abyssea, Bravura is SLIGHTLY better damage, and makes you take 20% less damage so it ends up being vastly superior.

Tilted logic. You are forgetting 30-50% ODD vs 5% ODD. On top of that.. a good Metatron does SLIGHTLY more than a non-crit Ukko's and Ukko's has an as yet to be nailed down crit rate bonus. I personally have seen almost every Emp and Relic in action in and outside of abyssea. Trust me Kannagi is not the only one that craps all over it's relic counterpart. FFS a lot of the relic WSs aren't even comparable to vanilla WSs. The only 2 emps that wouldn't use their WS 100% of the time are Axe and Polearm and the relic WSs for these weapons are as bad or worse than the emp ones.

Edit: Oh yeah dagger.

[Kluaf]

you can farm an empy weapon in a day or 2 even if you bought your gil like a retard you cudnt find enough currency to get a relic in that time and def not a mythic in a day or 2 either ... imo the empy shud b far less potent than it is compared to the relic and mythic weapons .... insted its almost the same and in most cases better to have the empy yall need to change that

[Bumbeen]

you can farm an empy weapon in a day or 2 even if you bought your gil like a retard you cudnt find enough currency to get a relic in that time and def not a mythic in a day or 2 either ... imo the empy shud b far less potent than it is compared to the relic and mythic weapons .... insted its almost the same and in most cases better to have the empy yall need to change that

That is true, it will still take you at least a month and probably two to get all the currency for a relic even if you have all the gil on hand.

[wish12oz]

Tilted logic.

Of course its tilted logic? It has to be a very specific set of circumstances for bravura to win, its just that those circumstances are probably about to become real common. And it's mainly the acc that pushes Bravura ahead.

You are forgetting 30-50% ODD vs 5% ODD.

No, I'm not forgetting ODD, and its also not that high for emps/low for relics

On top of that.. a good Metatron does SLIGHTLY more than a non-crit Ukko's

It doesn't average that much below Ukkos on very hard stuff.

and Ukko's has an as yet to be nailed down crit rate bonus.

It's 30% @ 100tp

I personally have seen almost every Emp and Relic in action in and outside of abyssea.

Most people with relics and empyreans aren't very good players, heck, most players aren't very good players. You'll forgive me if I ignore your my friend this and that, when I know very competant people and thats what Im basing this on.

Trust me Kannagi is not the only one that craps all over it's relic counterpart.

It is actually, there is no time ever when Kikoku is better then Kannagi, but I can give you a set of circumstances when every other empyrean isn't best.

FFS a lot of the relic WSs aren't even comparable to vanilla WSs. The only 2 emps that wouldn't use their WS 100% of the time are Axe and Polearm and the relic WSs for these weapons are as bad or worse than the emp ones.

No idea what you're saying here, but the lvl 90 relic WS's gain a 25% bonus to damage, and theyre all at least competitive with emp WS's at some point, except polearm, drakes bane is way to good compared to everything else offered.

Edit: Oh yeah dagger.

Mandau is always better then Twash, what about dagger?