Ideas for Paladin Modification

[Dale]

BLU has a higher Defense stat, which everyone knows is useless as hell and that was his point. PLD's "Defense" is utter crap. PLD's Shield? Less crappy crap, but still crap.

Inb4: "It's not crappy just because 5-10+ jobs can do it better, because I can do it at a standard which I believe to be acceptable and contentious"

lol...well it doesn't surprise me you are now saying defense sucks as well. Everything (but you i'm sure) sucks according to you

It doesn't matter that Blue has a higher defense stat - though that's debatable as a pld can sub blue and use cocoon as well. When you take into account the Paladin's ability to frequently block damage with his shield his physical defense trumps that of a blue mage. I never limited my comments to just the pure defense stat and nothing else. There is a lot more to defense than just the raw stat and all sorts of factors that contribute to how well a character can withstand damage.

That being said I disagree with you that defense is usless as hell. So if that was his point i disagree with him on that as well. I find a high defense to make a huge difference, and even on occasion sub blue to my red mage for the added survival. So in no way is it "useless as hell". Just another example of your silly need to call everything sucky and useless.

[Zagen]

lol...well it doesn't surprise me you are now saying defense sucks as well. Everything (but you i'm sure) sucks according to you

It doesn't matter that Blue has a higher defense stat - though that's debatable as a pld can sub blue and use cocoon as well. When you take into account the Paladin's ability to frequently block damage with his shield his physical defense trumps that of a blue mage. I never limited my comments to just the pure defense stat and nothing else. There is a lot more to defense than just the raw stat and all sorts of factors that contribute to how well a character can withstand damage.

That being said I disagree with you that defense is usless as hell. So if that was his point i disagree with him on that as well. I find a high defense to make a huge difference, and even on occasion sub blue to my red mage for the added survival. So in no way is it "useless as hell". Just another example of your silly need to call everything sucky and useless.

MNKs who roll Counterstance full time with a whooping 60-100ish DEF would like to have a word with you...

[Dale]

MNKs who roll Counterstance full time with a whooping 60-100ish DEF would like to have a word with you...

Hm...ok so i'm to take from this comment that because monks have counterstance that somehow means defense sucks?

I"m finding your posts and reasons as to why everything sucks more and more difficult to follow I have to admit.

[Zagen]

Hm...ok so i'm to take from this comment that because monks have counterstance that somehow means defense sucks?

I"m finding your posts and reasons as to why everything sucks more and more difficult to follow I have to admit.

Counterstance drops a MNK's DEF to VIT/2 +1. In other words they are turning they're DEF into crap compared to PLD's DEF. That said the increase to Counter rate far out weighs the drastic loss of DEF because again DEF is useless when it comes to mitigating damage.

[Dale]

Counterstance drops a MNK's DEF to VIT/2 +1. In other words they are turning they're DEF into crap compared to PLD's DEF. That said the increase to Counter rate far out weighs the drastic loss of DEF because again DEF is useless when it comes to mitigating damage.

Sorry but i'm still lost. How does a monk using counterstance mean defense is useless when it comes to mitigating damage? We are not all monks. We don't all have counterstance. This may be your worst argument yet. This one is even worst than your Red Mage nukes suck cause Black Mage nukes are better one.

[Zagen]

Sorry but i'm still lost. How does a monk using counterstance mean defense is useless when it comes to mitigating damage? We are not all monks. We don't all have counterstance. This may be your worst argument yet. This one is even worst than your Red Mage nukes suck cause Black Mage nukes are better one.

Counterstance adds 40% Counter rate onto a MNK's 10% base. In other words an additional 40% of all melee hits from an enemy will do 0 damage. If DEF was valuable MNKs wouldn't be so willing to give it up for 40% of hits doing 0 damage.

That doesn't even account for the extra damage dealt from those counters.

[Dale]

Counterstance adds 40% Counter rate onto a MNK's 10% base. In other words an additional 40% of all melee hits from an enemy will do 0 damage. If DEF was valuable MNKs wouldn't be so willing to give it up for 40% of hits doing 0 damage.

That doesn't even account for the extra damage dealt from those counters.

Ok so let me get this straight. You are saying that because monks have an ability that let's them counter damage 40% of the time in exchange for a penality to their defense that means defense as a whole sucks and is useless?

I stand by my earlier comment...and this is the worst argument of why something sucks you have yet to produce.

Maybe if we were all monks and had the option of turning on a move that counters 40% of attacks directed at us this argument may have some merit...

Defense may not be good for monks (I woudn't know, i don't play one), but from a Paladin or Red Mage perspective, I assure you it helps a lot and isn't useless.