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    Player Dale's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    Kirin, Shijin, all outside Sea Jailers, Abyssea +2 NMs in Scars/Heroes zones, all Body seal NMs in Heroes zones, AV, PW, VNMs T3 and above inside/outside Abyssea, ZNMs T3 or above, ToAU HNM, RotZ HQ HNM, KS99 HNM, all of Voidwatch, Fomor NMs in the past, in general any NM that is or was worth a crap and/or above level 95 aside from a few notable exceptions scattered here and there with extremely low attack values.

    http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Le...ction_and_pDIF

    inb4 anecdotes about taking a bajillion less damage when stacking kaiser gear and getting instantly killed when putting on DD gear.
    Ok well I will put this argument to the test. I will go fight a Body Seal NM in Abyssea tonight and comapre how much I get hit for with defense and without it Will be in touch and we'll see if your argument is crap or not. I strongly suspect that it is, but I'll wait till I do the test myself before I judge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale View Post
    Ok well I will put this argument to the test. I will go fight a Body Seal NM in Abyssea tonight and comapre how much I get hit for with defense and without it Will be in touch and we'll see if your argument is crap or not. I strongly suspect that it is, but I'll wait till I do the test myself before I judge.
    I hope you know how to properly test things.... As in a sample size of 100 is a nice start, making sure all variables are accounted for as in -PDT on either job you use, DEF levels for each job are fixed, etc. There are a lot of variables to account for when testing and somehow I doubt you will do this.

    Edit: After that test you should see how a given fight with say a MNK + WHM and a PLD + WHM takes from start to finish, how much damage is taken with each job. You'll find what everyone else has when you do this, that is that because of the kill speed and how broken defensive mechanics are currently the MNK takes less damage.
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    Last edited by Zagen; 07-03-2011 at 04:40 AM.

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    Player Dale's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    I hope you know how to properly test things.... As in a sample size of 100 is a nice start, making sure all variables are accounted for as in -PDT on either job you use, DEF levels for each job are fixed, etc. There are a lot of variables to account for when testing and somehow I doubt you will do this.

    Edit: After that test you should see how a given fight with say a MNK + WHM and a PLD + WHM takes from start to finish, how much damage is taken with each job. You'll find what everyone else has when you do this, that is that because of the kill speed and how broken defensive mechanics are currently the MNK takes less damage.
    Lol...sounds liek someone is already getting cold feet I may be fixing to prove their buddy wrong.
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    If he knew how to test objectively with a large sample size, this wouldn't be an issue at all.
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    Lol...sounds liek someone doesn't know how to test and was about to seriously attempt to come in here with 1-2 fights worth of potentially biased data and thinking he had a conclusion to draw.

    inb4: "I did one fight with an ochain and one fight with no shield + stumbling sandals because Defense means more than the Defense stat"
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    I know rdm sub has refresh but this at pld level 99 would be welcome.
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