Bio III, can I has it.

[Korpg]

I don't see where anyone is specifically saying "Slow II should be removed from RDM's merits and given to WHM and SCH."

Specifically calling out Slow II removed, no, nobody has said that.

Saying that they need to remove Red Mage Group 2 Merit spells, then yes, katz did.

it makes sense to remove the spells bought by merits

Quoted to conserve the original quote before katz deletes it.

Why remove the spells from RDM Group 2 Merits and not make them available to all jobs able to cast the I versions of the spell?

[katz]

Specifically calling out Slow II removed, no, nobody has said that.

Saying that they need to remove Red Mage Group 2 Merit spells, then yes, katz did.
Not sure if this counts as off topic I apologise if it is but to me it makes sense to remove the spells bought by merits and use the 2nd category to boost RDMs other abilities like the RDM are asking for. More merits for melee, damage,evasion, etc to define the RDM role of non healer better and give them the opportunity to boost their other aspects of the job. This would then free up the magic scrolls for other jobs if people wanted them allocating say to BLM or WHM. I know its a bit late in the Role for this change but maybe something could be written to give RDM merits back for reallocation and automatically add the merited spells to the magic list.


Quoted to conserve the original quote before katz deletes it.

Why remove the spells from RDM Group 2 Merits and not make them available to all jobs able to cast the I versions of the spell?

I was not saying remove them from RDM, I was saying remove them and make them spells that RDM would continue to have. Please stop taking my words out of context.

[Korpg]

I was not saying remove them from RDM, I was saying remove them and make them spells that RDM would continue to have. Please stop taking my words out of context.

Wait, I thought we weren't talking to each other now? Didn't you respectfully request for me to not talk to you?

Or am I taking that out of context also?

[Byrth]

Except increasing the merit cap does so for EVERY job which adds balance implications as a factor as opposed to just changing the merits to scrolls and making the merits potency which only affects those jobs.

Of course they likely won't do this as potency is what T1 merits do while T2 merits add JA, JT, and Spells.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the second thing. Tier 2 merits past the first for spells add potency to those spells.

Adding Tier 2 merits to every job doesn't have severe balance implications, because very few jobs have more than two good Tier 2 merits. If everyone merits the 10 most optimal things, then the next 5 will necessarily be less advantageous than any 5 of the first 10. There are no balance issues to talk about, unless you mean jobs like RDM getting more potent/more Tier 2 spells, which was (I believe) the whole point.

[Zatias]

Flame wars! Flame wars!

I agree with not removing the spell from merits and making it a scroll, that is kinda stupid in my opinion (worth 2 rotting fly corpses). Should we remove Warrior's Charge from WAR merits and make it a normal ability? Not a spell I know but its almost the same concept.

Also RDM has few qualities that people actually need these days. If we are giving Slow II to other jobs, RDM should get Cure V back.

Back on topic, DRK doesn't need Bio III. Would be interesting, but no it doesn't need it.

[katz]

I suggest you read the statement I made to you.

[Korpg]

I agree with not removing the spell from merits and making it a scroll, that is kinda stupid in my opinion (worth 2 rotting fly corpses). Should we remove Warrior's Charge from WAR merits and make it a normal ability? Not a spell I know but its almost the same concept.

Also RDM has few qualities that people actually need these days. If we are giving Slow II to other jobs, RDM should get Cure V back.

Back on topic, DRK doesn't need Bio III. Would be interesting, but no it doesn't need it.

Pretty much this.

[Supersun]

Adding Tier 2 merits to every job doesn't have severe balance implications, because very few jobs have more than two good Tier 2 merits. If everyone merits the 10 most optimal things, then the next 5 will necessarily be less advantageous than any 5 of the first 10.

The balance issue lies in that some jobs like Drk don't really gain anything from additional T2 merits while other jobs like Dancer actually gain quite a bit. Now like you said this isn't a severe concern, but it's still one that would need looking into.

And what I mean was that 99% of all T2 merits add a new JA, JT, or Spell with additional merits modifying them.

T1 merits modify pre existing JA, JT, and Spells that the job already had.

[Raxiaz]

But we're not giving Slow II to other jobs, it's staying as an ascertainable spell by level for RDMs. If it was given to other jobs, maybe that wouldn't be so bad, because then RDMs could just merit "Slow potency" and be done with it...

Honestly, I don't see how that's a concept beyond understanding for some, and inapplicable to the other spells of merit, but whatever. I'm done here, and have nothing more to say.

(Quite literally, I don't know of anything else I could say for tribute.)

[Korpg]

But if we are giving Bio III to DRKs, why not other spells to other jobs?

Assuming, however, that SE actually listens to the OP.