Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

[Korpg]

Don't worry Byrth, we all knew the results of the math even without the math.

Only person who was questioning the results is the one who claims that he can out damage Ukon WARs.

[Neisan_Quetz]

EDIT: beaten by byrth, need2refreshmore

[Razushu]

If carbuncle has higher attack, its base damage must be lower, right? because Carbuncle very clearly hits for less than other avatars.

Sounds fair to me, it can spike much higher, and can go much lower if she whiffs.

Yeah nothing hurts more than seeing an 600-800 after a 5K predator claws

[TybudX]

No, it's about Empyrean/Relic/Mythic staves getting something useful. SMN meleeing, no matter how 'effective' it is, is not a good reason for SE to keep making 'ultimate mage weapons' that suck compared to level 51 craftables.

[Alhanelem]

No, it's about Empyrean/Relic/Mythic staves getting something useful. SMN meleeing, no matter how 'effective' it is, is not a good reason for SE to keep making 'ultimate mage weapons' that suck compared to level 51 craftables.

Um, relic and empyrean weapons are far superior weapons to elemental staves. Elemental staves have their own completely seperate purpose and are vaulable items. But it's the elemental staves that suck when you're trying to attack something with them. If you do not want to attack with them, sure the empy/relic weapons suck. That's why we have this thing called an inventory and we have the capability of using different equipment for different purposes.

Aside from that, there are a grand total of two particularly useful melee weapons, the relic and the empyrean, for SMN. (At 75 there was three, but weapons become obsolete easily). I guess some of the other magian trial weapons could work too. They do not "keep making ultimate mage weapons." The mythic weapon doesn't even belong in this category, because Nirvana is awesome for any purpose. It's just almost impossible to get.

[Greatguardian]

Pretty much what Byrth said.

I ran WAR at approx 1,000 DPS (991.803) under those conditions, completely ignoring self-Light damage (which is a ton).

SMN is clocking in at 253.401 DPS without Garuda (this is probably still too high, since I'm just editing a WAR spreadsheet a bit haphazardly), and 342.289 DPS when you add in Pclaws. An Avatar's basic melee hit that isn't receiving any outside buffs (namely, Haste) is not going to have a huge impact on that number. Let's be generous and say it bumps it up to 400 DPS even?

I'll definitely admit to potential hyperbole in saying that a WAR is going to do 5x SMN's damage. But even giving SMN a lot of leeway, they're not doing even half as much as the Ukon WAR.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Nirvana yes, the others compared to ToM staves (which is what he should have compared them to instead imo) no.

[Alhanelem]

Pretty much what Byrth said.

I ran WAR at approx 1,000 DPS (991.803) under those conditions, completely ignoring self-Light damage (which is a ton).

SMN is clocking in at 253.401 DPS without Garuda (this is probably still too high, since I'm just editing a WAR spreadsheet a bit haphazardly), and 342.289 DPS when you add in Pclaws. An Avatar's basic melee hit that isn't receiving any outside buffs (namely, Haste) is not going to have a huge impact on that number. Let's be generous and say it bumps it up to 400 DPS even?

I'll definitely admit to potential hyperbole in saying that a WAR is going to do 5x SMN's damage. But even giving SMN a lot of leeway, they're not doing even half as much as the Ukon WAR.

The only thing that is important here is that the DPS with player and avatar > DPS of the avatar. Obviously, Dallas is kididng himself if he thinks he can compete with an empy WAR. I could have told you that.

Anyway... a small handful of DD staves amidst a pile of magey staves is not a problem. SMN gets an awesome mythic weapon if by some miracle you can obtain one. I'm not sure what to say about the BLM or SCH mythics though.

[Korpg]

SMN is clocking in at 253.401 DPS without Garuda (this is probably still too high, since I'm just editing a WAR spreadsheet a bit haphazardly), and 342.289 DPS when you add in Pclaws. An Avatar's basic melee hit that isn't receiving any outside buffs (namely, Haste) is not going to have a huge impact on that number. Let's be generous and say it bumps it up to 400 DPS even?

Namely, Garuda (and only Garuda) can receive haste, so having DPS at 400 seems about right for the situations at hand.

Edit: Misread, sorry.

[Dallas]

Pretty much what Byrth said.

I ran WAR at approx 1,000 DPS (991.803) under those conditions, completely ignoring self-Light damage (which is a ton).

SMN is clocking in at 253.401 DPS without Garuda (this is probably still too high, since I'm just editing a WAR spreadsheet a bit haphazardly), and 342.289 DPS when you add in Pclaws. An Avatar's basic melee hit that isn't receiving any outside buffs (namely, Haste) is not going to have a huge impact on that number. Let's be generous and say it bumps it up to 400 DPS even?

I'll definitely admit to potential hyperbole in saying that a WAR is going to do 5x SMN's damage. But even giving SMN a lot of leeway, they're not doing even half as much as the Ukon WAR.

Amazing you attribute all that damage to WAR, not the SMN, DNC, or BRD who provided the buffs.