Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

[Mizuharu]

It's like talking to a wall lol If you don´t accept other options then don´t post in forums ^^
8 pages now and its the same crap over and over again. You asked a question, ppl gave you an answer why PUP don´t have AF, you ask again and ppl gave you the same answer, you ask again,...... funny huh?! It's more like talking to a little kid cuz they wanna know everything even you already gave them an answer.

The feeling's mutual...

Btw. PUP's main weapon isn´t the H2H, its the Puppet. Yes its the Master's highest combat skill (and it was Throwing b4 the H2H skill increase) but that doesn´t mean PUP is the world champion in martial arts and should get every H2H weapon and WS.
PUP don´t have access to Spharai too, its the same story.

Oh yeah, throwing! Ah claiming DI on PUP... Fun times... And obviously PUP can't use Spharai... BLU COR SCH DNC are not listed on any relic weapons, why would PUP... If fact, why even compare asking for this WS to asking for relic access?

Though Tah, you're always interesting to talk to on certain things and this was fun but I think I'll leave this topic be at least until a Dev member looks over it and says their piece. I'm leaving this topic open though for everyone else that wants to post their thoughts on this here.

[Alhanelem]

Well, they don't post in threads when people ask for their attention, they've stated this, so that's a vain hope at best...

[Yoky]

So I find this funny.. All you "pup's" QQ'n over not having Stringing Pummel and not having a nyzul climb group and not having A. Fist.. how bout this.

1) Find a couple friends and get to farming weapons (if you dont have them)
2) When you get your weapon use those friends to skillchain or get to WS'n on your own and with your automaton (with how much you are complaining it would take you less time to get SP, get solo WS'n and quit complaining)

So all in all, it's very easy to get the nyzul weapon and very easy to get the WS. I got SP when i was on floor 20. There are enough people still without the weapons that would be willing to farm with you. Also I dont wanna hear your complaining bout "OMG thats so many points I need to get" no need for it, you do enough stuff that you could get points from that you shouldnt be complaining. SIMPLE AS THAT.

If you dont have SP you are just LAZY, get to work on it and quit complaining.

[Alhanelem]

Also you can accumulate WS points between nyzul runs, and keep climbing in the meantime. The point requirement will be reduced for every floor you gain (even if it's not a full set of 5, as long as you exit before the time is up it counts) and when the point requirement meets up with the points you've earned, you're done.

[Mizuharu]

Okay, yes Nyzul can be very easy to climb for Stringing Pummel. Yes, you could solo the coins for Victory Smite. But, again, every other job gets a WSNM except PUP. Because they all met the skill level by 75. After the update, we met the required skill level at 75. That's the only other reason other jobs got their WSNMs.

But then you'll argue about the lore behind the WS when the other jobs ignore the story behind their WSNMs. Or the fact PUP can't wear the weapon-type Hand-to-Hand that the Knuckles of Trials are, though there have been exceptions for PUP on H2H weapons and other jobs on other weapons (Ex: DNC using Dagger of Trials when they normally can't wear regular daggers.) So I'm just mentioning those here to save you all the trouble.

[Jar]

Okay, yes Nyzul can be very easy to climb for Stringing Pummel. Yes, you could solo the coins for Victory Smite. But, again, every other job gets a WSNM except PUP. Because they all met the skill level by 75. After the update, we met the required skill level at 75. That's the only other reason other jobs got their WSNMs.

But then you'll argue about the lore behind the WS when the other jobs ignore the story behind their WSNMs. Or the fact PUP can't wear the weapon-type Hand-to-Hand that the Knuckles of Trials are, though there have been exceptions for PUP on H2H weapons and other jobs on other weapons (Ex: DNC using Dagger of Trials when they normally can't wear regular daggers.) So I'm just mentioning those here to save you all the trouble.

Pup can use Eviseration!(sp) but cant unless /jobthat canWSNM it

[Mizuharu]

Pup can use Eviseration!(sp) but cant unless /jobthat canWSNM it

Evisceration is only available to Thieves, Corsairs, Red Mages, Warriors, Bards, Rangers, Beastmasters, Dancers and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 230 Dagger skill, they will be unable to use Evisceration.
(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Evisceration)

It's not like Energy Drain...

Energy Drain is only natively available to Thieves, Red Mages, Bards, Rangers, Dancers, and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 175 Dagger skill, they must use one of the aforementioned jobs as their support job in order to gain access to Energy Drain.

(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Energy_Drain

[Jar]

Evisceration is only available to Thieves, Corsairs, Red Mages, Warriors, Bards, Rangers, Beastmasters, Dancers and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 230 Dagger skill, they will be unable to use Evisceration.
(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Evisceration)

It's not like Energy Drain...

Energy Drain is only natively available to Thieves, Red Mages, Bards, Rangers, Dancers, and Ninjas. While other jobs can obtain the required 175 Dagger skill, they must use one of the aforementioned jobs as their support job in order to gain access to Energy Drain.

(taken from http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Energy_Drain

Hmm i swear it was in the list last time a proced with cyclone.. meh.. dont even have a dagger to check atm..

[Alhanelem]

(Ex: DNC using Dagger of Trials when they normally can't wear regular daggers.)

Umm... what? Since when could dancer not use "regular daggers?" As opposed to what kind of daggers? DNC can use the vast majority of daggers that aren't a mage dagger or a few that are THF only. But many daggers, especially harpes.,are THF/DNC.

[Xanaduu]

i believe they meant dnc cant use baselard type daggers save for magian now and oh... look at that >.> the eviseration dagger. i just looked up every baselard type dagger and its only those 2 exeptions, well and the fake mandau, point is i guess... y add dnc to WSNM dagger when a baselard is not thier useable weapon type and not for pup? >.> seems like they added dnc to it easy enough... easy to do for pup 2 @.@. that is 1 of the main reasons pple dont understand y pup doesnt have it yet. so if we get it we get it... if we dont... i think pple will live... some1 lock this thread now plz^^ *looks for asprin*