Puppetmaster's Asuran Fists <Where?>

[Ahtos]

In what situation would I use Asuran Fists over Victory Smite or Stringing Pummel, both of which are better?

But you can´t proc blue !! ww

[Mizuharu]

In what situation would I use Asuran Fists over Victory Smite or Stringing Pummel, both of which are better?

Pummel allows Darkness, and Smite can do double light. We certainly don't need it for skillchains.

But you can´t proc blue !! ww

For PUPs who can't Nyzul Isle for Stringing Pummel. You all may have tons and tons of people who's names you can just pull off the top of your head and know they'd be interested, but others might not.

Nyzul can be easy at 90, yes. However. If you get a bad floor then you're boned and that's a wasted tag. You can get 4 tags (3 with NPC one on you) a day for a typical player (4 npc 1 on you with Captain rank.) consider that you burn 4 on one day, you're looking at clearing 5~20 levels a day depending on if you get unlucky or not. Now, you could go the next day and just use one tag, but that's isn't the case when it comes to most Nyzul Statics. They normally meet up once/twice a week. So every week, once a week, you climb 5~20 floors a run (or 0~20 if you're VERY unlucky...). That would take you 5~20 weeks to get (assuming I did my math right...)

5 floors = 1 tag = 1 day's worth of a charge
100/5 = 20; so 20 tags would be needed to climb to 100

Assume you do 4 runs the first day that's 20 down. Each run after that is 1 tag a day; so 16 days total at the lowest. Compared to something that takes 60 Magic Morter > Dragon Kicks.

[Mizuharu]

Compared to a measly 300 ws points for something we didn't get because of the skill level required by 75? Yeah, it can be a bit long. So far the only reasons people are completely against it is that A) it was originally MNK only therefore it should stay that way or B) they'd themselves would never use it thus they feel it's pointless. If you find it so pointless, why keep arguing against it? A Dev team hasn't said yay or nay to it. So far we're pretty equal on terms of people who want and don't want it PUP accessible. And no, I'm just saying "NOT EVERYONE'S AGREEING WITH ME QQ". This was bound to happen since no one can agree 100% on almost any given thing. No one would force you to get it if it was there to have.

And going along with your train of thought that "why should PUP get this when no other job but MNK can get it", why should Stringing Pummel be a proc when none of the other mythic WSs can proc?

[Alhanelem]

Oh wait. Not every group of people out there is band wagon'd so hard they can't see str8.

You're not in much of a position to talk about bandwagons, given what you've said about what you think PUP can and can't do. Monks are common- it's a base job that everyone has access to from the beginning. No matter where you go or what group you join, there's probably going to be a MNK somewhere. You don't have to be on the bandwagon- Because it's a basic job, you just flip coins or spin a die, you're going to land on a monk before long. Yes, we can bend over backwards and come up with creative ways to do things. But you don't strike me as one of them, nor is this a reason to take away one of the things that MNK has that no one else does.

Or maybe your a new age lolabyssea burned pup who never felt the stigma of exclusion?

I was the first english speaking PUP75 on my server when it came out. I also am part of an LS of talented players who know how to get stuff done.

Instead of using the fallacy of attacking the person, how about a real argument? So far, you don't have one yet. I'm against this because
1) we simply don't need it; and
2) it takes something away from MNK that was previously unique to it. I know all too well what it's like to have things special taken away from you- something which is about to happen again in tomorrow's version update (SAM getting an ability that's basically a copy of a DNC flourish). I would rather them give us new things to improve our job than just hand us something some other job has.

With Pummel doing darkness and Smite doing light, the only purpose whatsoever of giving PUP asuran fists is to give them one more blue !!- something that really won't change anything and certainly won't make PUP more allowed in events.

[Zaknafein]

You're not in much of a position to talk about bandwagons, given what you've said about what you think PUP can and can't do.

I didn't say anything about what pup can/can not do.

I was the first english speaking PUP75 on the server when it came out. I also am part of an LS of talented players who know how to get stuff done.

If you've been a 75+ pup for that long why would you not want access to another blue stagger that your favorite job currently lacks in it's main combat skill?

[Zaknafein]

your ninja edit kinda borked my response...

[Jar]

your ninja edit kinda borked my response...

internet rule 14 man just give up on that guy

he will never change his mind its like arguing with a woman.

[Alhanelem]

I didn't say anything about what pup can/can not do.

You've said plenty about it. You've basically said the magic frame is useless and no one would ever want to or should use it.

If you've been a 75+ pup for that long why would you not want access to another blue stagger that your favorite job currently lacks in it's main combat skill?

Because, for the 14th time, I don't need it, and another blue proc would not make me any more popular. The only thing I'm going to be on PUP for is either to kill things or to provide a little flexible support. No one asks a PUP because they can proc something, and adding one more blue proc is [SIZE=7]not[/SIZE] going to change that.

The only thing that COULD change that is giving PUP skill in more weapons, or giving the master more direct control over which spells the automaton casts (to be able to proc all the BLM yellow procs)

Regardless, you're still going to see mostly WAR/MNK/NIN doing blue because between these three (technically WAR and NIN can do them all but MNK can do many of them and is more popular) they have all the weapons covered.

[Zaknafein]

You've said plenty about it. You've basically said the magic frame is useless and no one would ever want to or should use it.

Huh? lol I have no idea where you gathered that from. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else idk.

Because, for the 14th time, I don't need it, and another blue proc would not make me any more popular. The only thing I'm going to be on PUP for is either to kill things or to provide a little flexible support. No one asks a PUP because they can proc something, and adding one more blue proc is [SIZE=7]not[/SIZE] going to change that.

The only thing that COULD change that is giving PUP skill in more weapons, or giving the master more direct control over which spells the automaton casts (to be able to proc all the BLM yellow procs)

OK so since you personally have no need for it because your group "always" has a monk then no other pup's should want this either. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

[Alhanelem]

Huh? lol I have no idea where you gathered that from. Maybe you are confusing me with someone else idk.

Actually, I am (see other thread), and I apologize for that.

OK so since you personally have no need for it because your group "always" has a monk then no other pup's should want this either. Gotcha. Makes perfect sense.

Yup. It does make perfect sense. Out of all the things you could possible imagine SE giving PUP, this is about the most useless thing they could give. I suppose if you're solo/duoing on PUP or you absolutely can't find a MNK anywhere, there is a slight chance that you'll get asuran fists as a proc and be unable to do it. OR, you could just not fight the NM during blunt time and have someone else proc. Again, PUP doesn't need this. I don't know why you're so vehemently defending this like it would be some great godsend for PUP or would solve all of its problems. For one, we probably won't be doing abyssea forever, and giving us asuran fists on the sole basis of one event where it might possibly come in handy to have in rare cases is not a very sound decision. SE can invest their time and energy better elsehwere.