KI-popped-NM Stealing

[Leonlionheart]

That depends on your definition of nice, really.

My general policy is always to wait for a full wipe assuming I've had no contact, or polite contact with the group that's fighting. However, if the group that's fighting and half-wiping to the NM has a moron or two that likes to run their mouth in /say or /tell, then I'll be significantly less inclined to do them any favors.

Likewise, if I take an NM off a failing group either by request of their party leader or due to a wipe and they aren't complete assbags to me for it, I'll often invite them to lot on half the drops (yes, half. If you want full drops, don't wipe). If the group refuses to lose gracefully and decides to spam me with hate tells/says/shouts, there's no way in hell I'm inviting them for anything. What's worst of all is when people start demanding that you invite them for drops right after chewing you out. Do they really expect someone to give them free stuff after being screamed at?

With that said, I still feel like people are basically being sore losers in this thread. If you let people die, fail to take the proper actions to maintain your claim, or otherwise wipe, expect to lose your monster. It should not come as a huge surprise to anyone when other people take claim when you fail. When that happens, and it's your own fault, accept the loss gracefully and move on. Chalk it up as a learning experience and take steps to prevent a loss the next time.

The only legitimate complaint that could be had here would be players intentionally curebombing or MPK'ing with other mobs/NMs in order to steal an NM, and that is GM'able.

This pretty much completely sums up my attitude toward the matter.

Unfortunately most people love to run their mouths off, and I enjoy making a fool out of them.

Also if you are using a strategy that causes the fight to take longer than 'acceptable' then I would probably steal at the first sight of yellow name.

[Sama]

The only legitimate complaint that could be had here would be players intentionally curebombing or MPK'ing with other mobs/NMs in order to steal an NM, and that is GM'able.

When mob goes yellow and someone claimed it that's not a violation of SE and because of that, some people are intentionally doing this to others when the alliance is half dead or just taking any chances that they can to get your NM/drop.

Not everyone is as logical and kindly as you, this is a MMO and SE is making it cheap.

[Greatguardian]

Like I already said, if your alliance is half dead and fails to maintain claim over your monster then it is your own loss. It's no one else's fault if you die. When that happens, take the loss gracefully and move on.

Personally, I always expect to lose my NM if I ever let it go white. Not because people are bad and mean and vultures, but because losing claim constitutes a failure to some degree on my part or the part of my group. There are consequences for mistakes. All there is to do is to learn from it and not make the same mistake the next time.

[Crocker]

All I'm hearing is everyone should flash provoke stun or something and suck less but by saying you have to do extra stuff just to keep a monster claimed means there is a problem with how a monster stays claimed, yes we know how to work around this flaw but it is a flaw that needs to be fixed! Many times ive seen NMs go unclaimed when everyone is and has done something to it.

Doesn't matter if somehow you noob it up real bad and everyone gets charmed it shouldn't go unclaimed but it does.

SE wont reply to stuff like this they only reply to dumb threads like dynamis maps...and remove 5 min wait on Kindred Seals. Fix the real problems and stop saying it would take too much man power ect.... What are we paying you for? Get more man power!

[Greatguardian]

You don't have to do "Extra" stuff to keep an NM claimed unless you're being clumsy or bad about fighting it in the first place. There is zero problem with the claim system. One person has a claim on the mob at any given time. It is absolute folly, borderline incompetence, for someone to intentionally take the last action against a mob and then immediately die. There is also a fair window of time between when the person with claim dies and when the mob goes unclaimed or idle, in which time someone should be acting on the mob in some fashion regardless.

There is no problem with how an NM stays claimed. Monsters don't randomly go yellow. The claim system is 100% predictable, and simple enough for any group to work with if even one person bothers to read how it works. "Fixing" this would only give people a safety net wherein they are allowed to make more mistakes before losing their monster, while at the same time encouraging Zombie tactics and allowing groups which are too weak for an NM to hold it indefinitely.

[Catsby]

If you are allowed to double your stats and still manage to suck out of control you bet your ass I'm taking your mobs.

[svengalis]

I find the amount of "just suck less" posts and related pretty disturbing. I would never take someones NM, popped or time spawned if they died. Only if the entire alliance decides to just give up and HP, i'd attack it.

Guess nobody is nice anymore.

It is alot of American players. The Japanese usually don't do this. They usually wait, ask how many pops you got left or they even come back. I have had so many pops stolen or people go out of turn and don't reply to you by American players. I don't know why you guys are so rude. Everything in Abyssea can be obtained within time. Most drops are pretty common you guys don't have to be so disrespectful to other players. We are human beings just like you treat us with some respect.

[Greatguardian]

It is alot of American players. The Japanese usually don't do this. They usually wait, ask how many pops you got left or they even come back. I have had so many pops stolen or people go out of turn and don't reply to you by American players. I don't know why you guys are so rude. Everything in Abyssea can be obtained within time. Most drops are pretty common you guys don't have to be so disrespectful to other players. We are human beings just like you treat us with some respect.

Weeaboo goggles. People are people no matter what language they speak or what country they're from. You'll find just as many horror stories about JP players as you will about NA players, and as many nice JPs as you would nice NAs.

[svengalis]

Weeaboo goggles. People are people no matter what language they speak or what country they're from. You'll find just as many horror stories about JP players as you will about NA players, and as many nice JPs as you would nice NAs.

I don't though. I play most of the day and this is what I run into everyday.

[Greatguardian]

I don't though. I play most of the day and this is what I run into everyday.

And I could tell you that I run into reasonable NA but complete asshole JP players all the time too, and I wouldn't be lying. In my personal experience, I've been treated like trash by the JP endgame base pretty much constantly, while the NA endgame base on my server is pretty chill.

I'm just not ignorant enough to apply my personal experiences to each race on FFXI. I know damn well there are plenty of chill, cooperative JP players. And I know damn well there are plenty of asshole NA players. Just because I see more dickish JP and nice NA in my experiences doesn't make it the norm.