KI-popped-NM Stealing

[Sama]

This is happening almost every second throughout the A zones I find it's very upsetting:

You spent hours to get KI; popped the NM, KI is lost, but during the fight the NM went unexpectedly unclaimed for whatever reasons and all the sudden some greedy thief steals it.

I had one time helping friend to fight Rani, at the very last moment I was KOed BUT the rest of the alliance are not. All the sudden, a mnk, who has been standing around watching and waiting for this moment, chi'ed it and finished it off with 2H.

I understand that this is 'fair' for the free timed pop NM, but people have spent time to the farmed KI just like getting seals for burning circles and it should not be stolen during the fight.

Here is my suggestion you some of you thief may find disturbing:

KI-popped NM: Only the party who traded the KIs can engage; the NM will go de-pop when the party is wiped or simply decided withdraw from battle.

Time/Free popping NM: Just as you expected, if you failed then anyone can claim it.

This is just a rough proposal and therefore requires further discussion.

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SE and forum please advise.

[JiltedValkyrie]

Somebody else should have had hate.

[Sama]

Somebody else should have had hate.

Half of the alliance does, NM got stolen AND it's still hit the mages a few times.

[Bulrogg]

We had a similar situation happen on Briareus. After he used his 2hr we spread out to avoid his mega slam and he went yellow from being to far away and disengaging. Before we could reclaim another party had gotten claim on him but Briareus continued to pick us off and didn't turn to the other party until he finished us off.

[rog]

If the person who last acted on the mob dies, then everyone else should start casting/voking asap, before it goes yellow. No need to make a thread crying because not one person in your alliance thought to do that.

[Sama]

If the person who last acted on the mob dies, then everyone else should start casting/voking asap, before it goes yellow. No need to make a thread crying because not one person in your alliance thought to do that.

That greedy monk stood there I bet he spam voke like shit through out the whole fight.

[Tamoa]

Why make a new thread when there is an almost identical one on
page 1 of this forum section?: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ne-Is-Not-Dead

[Sama]

Why make a new thread when there is an almost identical one on
page 1 of this forum section?: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ne-Is-Not-Dead

This thread only involved with KI-poping NM.

[Tamoa]

This thread only involved with KI-poping NM.

I don't see the difference. Both that other thread and this one complain about the same things, the same possible solutions will be suggested. You yourself already suggested what's basically the same as in the other thread: make it impossible for NM to go unclaimed short of wiping/zoning. Whether it's force pop NM or timed spawn NM doesn't really matter, especially now that the vast majority of NMs we fight in this game, are force popped.

[Cetra]

personal experience with this:
1. pop mob
2. alliance starts fighting
3. mob turns yellow midway through fight (no deaths/dc's/disengages)
4. 14 counted re-claim actions post-yellow by the alliance
5. outside guy cast dia II and claims
6. alliance wipes due to having full hate to "purple" claimed NM
7. outside guy dies

we are not angry or disgruntled about this, this is just to point out that the system for holding claim on any monster is currently insufficient. The assumption cannot be made that someone has screwed up, because even if you do everything right the game is glitching.

on a second note, this has been observed to happen with more then just NM's. When fighting random mobs throughout the game, it has been seen that a mob will turn yellow now and then. This is not excessively common, but has happened to me once or twice in the last month.

I would submit this as a bug if I was certain of how to reproduce it.. but unless you can prove your case then SE will just say we are at fault and not bother to look at it, lol